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Reasonable Faith Podcast

Dialogue Between Ayaan Kirsi Ali and Richard Dawkins Part Two

Reasonable Faith Podcast

William Lane Craig

Religion & Spirituality, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Christianity

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2024

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

Ali and Dawkins continue to discuss her recent conversion and her warning to the West.

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0:00.0

I'm listening to this exchange Bill and I can't tell if the audience skews one way or the other they seem to be right down the middle 50-50.

0:17.6

She gets a lot of applause, he gets some applause too.

0:20.8

One does not seem to be louder than the other, but they really respond to

0:26.4

her emotionally, it seems. In this next clip, she contrasts the Christian message with competing options.

0:35.0

The teaching of Christ as I see it and again I'm a brand new Christian but what I'm

0:41.8

finding out which is the opposite of growing up as a Muslim,

0:45.8

the message of Islam, but the message of Christianity I get is that it's a message of love, it's a message of redemption, and it's a story of

0:58.0

renewal and rebirth.

0:59.9

And so Jesus dying and rising again for me symbolizes that story.

1:06.3

And in a small way I felt like I had died and I was reborn.

1:11.2

And that story of redemption and rebirth I think makes Christianity

1:18.7

actually a very very powerful story for the human condition and human existence and the pain of

1:24.5

suffering but also our internal the recognition of what you call sin but perhaps the character defects that both good and evil are there

1:37.1

but that both good and evil are in us. I think those teachings in Christianity

1:41.8

are far more powerful and have led to I think the

1:47.6

flourishing of Western civilization compared to say growing up as a Muslim when I was taught that really the only way for you to be faithful

1:57.1

is to fear, naked fear and to have these sets of obligations which you basically obey.

2:05.0

And that was very much about power, about,

2:10.0

it was centered around hellfire and all of these other things and so Christianity as I

2:18.8

experienced I'll give you an example when I was an atheist and I was going all over both the United

2:27.8

States and all over Europe mocking Christians, making fun of them, making fun of faith.

2:34.4

As you're doing now, dear Richard.

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