Welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast, a production of Catholic Answers.

Hey everyone, welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast. I'm your host,

Catholic Answers Apologist and Speaker, Trent Horn. And today my guest is Dr.

Steven Millies. He is professor of Public Theology at, and he's the director of the

Bernardin Center. He got his PhD from the Catholic University of America. And he's the author

of the recent book Good Intentions, a history of Catholic voters, the road from row to

Trump. So Dr. Millies, welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast.

Thanks very much. I'm glad to be here.

Very good. So the impetus for this episode was that you had posted on social media, what

you would call a Catholic case for Roe vs. Wade. And you discussed some elements of Roe

vs. Wade. And I read your book. I thought it was, it was, there were some solid elements

in your book Good Intentions. I enjoyed the first half dealing with the history of Catholics

and political life, you know, starting from the founding of America, going all the way

up through 19th and 20th century. The second half though, I had some concerns about.

Namely your perspective on Roe vs. Wade. You kind of shared that a little bit on social

media. I'm sure you, you can understand how many people would see that as being controversial.

So I wanted to give you an opportunity just to expound upon that a little more. And then

maybe we could just have a bit of a back and forth on your perspective.

Yeah. So thanks. A couple of things. You know, first I'd say it's important to remember

that as you say, I got two degrees to Catholic you in Washington, DC. Neither is in theology.

Both are in politics. And my appointment at Catholic Theological Union, excuse me, is

as professor of public theology, as you said. But as you may know, that is a very recently

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