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DEX in the City: KelpDAO vs. LayerZero: Who Is Liable When a DeFi Protocol Is Hacked?

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Business News, Tech News

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 24 April 2026

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

A $300M bridge exploit is forcing the question DeFi has been avoiding: when users lose money, who is actually responsible — the protocol, the infrastructure provider, or both? Thanks to our sponsors! *⁠ As Bitcoin's application layer, Citrea gives you access to the first trust-minimized BTC on a fully programmable platform and a native stablecoin for Bitcoin, ctUSD.  You can now participate in Bitcoin capital markets with lending, privacy, payments, Bitcoin yield, trading and predictions. You get expanded Bitcoin utility without sacrificing its security.  ⁠Citrea mainnet is live. Put your BTC to work at ⁠⁠citrea.xyz/unchained.⁠  *⁠ Nexo is the premier digital wealth platform. Receive interest on your crypto, borrow against it without selling, and trade a range of assets. Now available in the U.S with 30 days of exclusive privileges. Get started at http://nexo.com/unchained A $300 million bridge exploit at Kelp DAO has put DeFi's most uncomfortable question back on the table: when users lose money, who is actually responsible?  Katherine, Jessi, and Vy dig into the Kelp and Layer Zero finger-pointing and ask whether the industry's core values — permissionlessness, open composability — have become its greatest vulnerability.  Then: the Ninth Circuit heard oral arguments on prediction markets last week, and the panel's pointed questions signal the case is headed to the Supreme Court sooner than most expect.  Finally: American Express just solved three of agentic commerce's hardest problems — identity, mandate, and accountability — with a product that's live today. The crypto industry, which should be leading this race, is watching from the sidelines. Hosts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos⁠⁠, General Counsel at StarkWare. Previously held senior legal roles across DeFi and centralized exchanges. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jessi Brooks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, General Counsel at Ribbit Capital ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TuongVy Le⁠⁠⁠, General Counsel at Veda Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to Decks in the City, where the wallets are cold and the takes are hot.

0:04.8

Before we get into the good stuff, here's a word from our sponsors.

0:09.1

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0:11.0

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0:13.0

With a trust minimized BTC and a native stable coin, CTUSD,

0:17.3

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0:22.8

Get started at Citraea.xYZ slash Unchained.

0:28.1

Hi all, and we're back. Before we get going, remember, we're lawyers, but we're not your

0:32.6

lawyers, so nothing you hear on decks in the city is legal or financial advice and it doesn't

0:36.2

create an attorney-client relationship. For the fine print as always, check unchained crypto.com. And first we have Jesse,

0:43.9

Web3 prosecutor turn Web3 protector at Ribbett Capital. And V from the SEC to Web 3. And I'm

0:50.7

your host, Catherine, KK, fluent in TradFi and conversant in deep tech over at Starkware.

0:56.5

And today we're really excited to be joining you from beautiful Phoenix, Arizona at the Eve Wells Summit.

1:02.7

Women are dominant here.

1:04.2

There's about 99% women.

1:05.5

So we keep joking with the one man, or not one man, a handful of men.

1:09.8

It's like three men.

1:11.1

This is what it feels like to be a woman in a crypto conference.

1:14.9

And also like everyone's just complimenting each other on their clothes and being so

1:19.7

a good.

1:20.6

Oh my God.

1:22.2

It's also really hot.

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