The SEC this week held a roundtable on financial surveillance and privacy in another sign of the major shift in the regulator's approach to crypto. In this DEX in the City episode, Espresso co-founder Jill Gunter joins hosts Jessi Brooks and Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos to unpack the major talking points and takeaways from the roundtable. And more importantly, what it signals about the SEC’s approach to crypto and privacy. With legacy financial institutions coming onchain, like JPMorgan and DTTC, they discuss how crypto can actually help prevent data breaches and have a better product for users and companies alike.  Interestingly, Jill recounts how she lost $30,000 in an exploit involving crypto mixer Railgun and why she didn’t even try to hide it from regulators at the roundtable.  Plus, was Do Kwon's sentence excessive? Well, according to Jessi, it’s a complicated question, but she unpacks what people misunderstood about the judge’s decision. Hosts: Jessi Brooks, General Counsel at Ribbit Capital Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos, General Counsel at StarkWare Guest: Jill Gunter, Co-founder and Chief Strategy Officer at Espresso Systems Links: Unchained: Why the Privacy Coins Mania Is Much More Than Price Action Do Kwon Sentenced to 15 Years in Prison Jessi's and Katherine's paper on programmable risk management Timestamps: 🚀 00:00 Introduction  ⚡️ 3:23 How SEC privacy roundtable marks a sea change in the regulatory approach to crypto  💡 12:39 Why privacy is also important for legacy institutions moving onchain  📍 17:31 How projects and institutions can be compliant while collecting less data 🤧 24:57 Jill recounts being the victim of a hack and seeing the hackers use a privacy protocol ❕️ 30:36 Why Jill says the hack did not change her perspective on crypto privacy 😎 33:30 How far the crypto industry has come since Tornado Cash ⚔️ 35:54 The debate over proof of innocence  ⚖️ 42:09 What everyone misunderstood about Do Kwon's sentence 💫 52:24 Shoutout to Save the Children for their innovative Bitcoin initiative Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices