welcome in to a special podcast it's not a post game you usually see the person beside me

here on these post games of course we're in the midst of a lot going on in chapel hill

i'm tommy actually that of course is dewy burke sponsored by johnny t-shirt johnny t-shirt

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I don't remember the last time we talked. I think it was, well, I can't remember, but a lot has

happened since then, whenever it was. Just sort of from your vantage point, everything this happened

up to now, I mean, what's that been like as a former

player you're very eventful certainly and i think as as you know and and listeners know i also

sit on the board of the rams club so uh, very eventful set of circumstances since the end of the

season. I don't think we maybe have talked even since Caleb broke his hand. So, you know, going from

that event all the way through the events of today has been, has been heavy, right?

It's, you know, anytime you make a coaching change and you layer that into everything

that was already going on with the arena and all those conversations, it's been certainly

emotional and lots and lots of conversations and text threads and rumors and

trying to figure out ultimately the decision that would be made and happily happy to get into

that and talk about what you know what went wrong why are we here and where are we trying to go? So happy to start with really any of those,

Tommy, wherever you'd like to take it. So let's talk about why are we here. Why did the events of Tuesday

night happen in your opinion? Yeah, I do think that the number one reason is simple and then I

think the following set of circumstances is less simple simply we didn't win at the

level that we believe we should.

And I don't know who could argue that.

Losing the first round consecutive years isn't good enough for the standard.

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