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There Are No Girls on the Internet

Devternity! Did this tech conference create fake women to look more diverse?

There Are No Girls on the Internet

iHeartPodcasts

Society & Culture, Technology

4.4820 Ratings

🗓️ 6 December 2023

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

The tech conference Devternity has been canceled (not fake canceled, literally canceled) after allegations that the founder has been inventing fake women and catfishing on Instagram for years. 

Bridget does a deep dive to get to the bottom of it, and what it says about default, dismissive attitudes about marginalized people in tech. There were real women the whole time! Why not invite one of them?!

A Tech Conference Listed Fake Speakers for Years: I Accidentally Noticed: https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/devternity-fake-speakers/

Male Tech Conference Founder Is Behind Popular Woman Coding Influencer Account: https://www.404media.co/coding-unicorn-instagram-julia-kirsina-devternity/

Tech Conference Collapses After Organizer Admits to Making Fake ‘Auto-Generated’ Female Speaker

https://www.404media.co/devternity-fake-speakers-eduard-sizovs/

Eduards Sizovs’s full response thread: https://twitter.com/eduardsi/status/1728422017417032140

Here’s a collection of Julia through the years: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10Fds4DgzU_Yem577sfGykauuNkltIq3ykZdZUd1EAUE/edit?usp=sharing

 

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0:00.0

I'm not saying this woman doesn't exist.

0:03.7

I'm just saying she reads like a woman written by a man.

0:13.5

There are No Girls on the Internet as a production of IHeart Radio and Unbossed Creative.

0:21.5

I'm Bridget Todd, and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet. I'm Bridget Todd, and this is there are no girls on the internet.

0:27.1

So I feel like Christmas has kind of come a little bit early for me because, Mike, as you know,

0:32.5

not only am I deeply fascinated by identity and technology, but also I am deeply fascinated by my other true love,

0:40.8

which is scams. You know this about me. I love a good scam. I love scam content, scam podcasts.

0:46.4

Give me all the scans. I mean, don't scan me, but I want to be not involved in the scam and then

0:52.2

hear about how the scam unfolded so I can be like,

0:54.8

oh, that's how they did it. Yeah, your love of scams and catfishing is legendary, no doubt.

1:01.6

So catfishing is a scam that I am specifically interested in. And this wild story that was

1:07.5

blowing up on Twitter last week involves all three, identity and technology,

1:11.5

scams, and catfishing. And as fascinating as I find all of these, I also think it's really a story

1:17.6

that tells us a lot about how people actually think about marginalized folks and technology.

1:23.3

Like, do they actually see us? When they see us, do they respect us? When they actually do

1:29.1

include us, is that inclusion a gimmick? Is it done to take the heat off criticism? Like, why is it done?

1:35.6

And when they try to include us and get it so, so, so wrong, what does that tell us to?

1:41.8

So let's talk about DevTurnity. So DevTurity is a tech conference for

1:46.3

developers that attendees have to pay from as little as $435 up to $870 to attend. It was founded by

1:54.7

Edward Sizzoff in 2015. So this conference had been called out for not having a very diverse lineup of speakers.

2:01.8

Like most of their speakers tended to be white men.

2:04.4

And to deal with that, Edwards, the organizer, allegedly decided to flesh out their lineup

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