Hey friend, welcome to the mere Christians podcast. I'm Jordan Rainer.

How does the gospel influence the work of mere Christians? Those of us who aren't pastors or religious

professionals, but who work as pharmacists, roofers, and paralegals. That's the question we

explore every week, and today I'm posing it to Devin Havanaugh,

a leader in the construction industry where he has worked as a carpenter since he was 17 years

old and led teams on some of the largest projects in Canada where he's based.

Devin and I recently sat down to talk about how self-care can be an on-ramp to self-forgetfulness

and ultimately self-sacrifice.

We talked about how the speed of light in the stars can encourage you in your wordless

evangelism, even when it appears to be bearing no fruit.

And finally, we talked about the significance

of Jesus spending years hammering the very thing he would ultimately be hammered.

Two, please enjoy this episode with my new friend, Devin. Have a long.

Hey, Devin, welcome to the Mirro Christians podcast.

Jordan, how are you?

Thanks for having me.

I'm great, man.

I mean, listen, anytime somebody shows up and asks before we start recording, can I fan girl now or later, I'm like, this is going to be a great day.

You can fan girl all you want, but I'm fangoing, man, because I'm so

pumped about the way that you were thinking about your craft as a carpenter. Now, listen,

that term means different things to different people. How would you describe what you do vocationally?

Well, yeah, I mean, it's kind of transitioned differently throughout my career, but in the

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