Devin Nunes on Ending the Politicization of America’s Intelligence Agencies
American Thought Leaders
The Epoch Times
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🗓️ 10 January 2026
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Summary
It’s been almost a decade since then-House Intelligence Committee chairman Devin Nunes first launched his investigation with now-FBI director Kash Patel into the scandal that became known as “Russiagate.”
His watershed memo back in 2018—dubbed the “Nunes memo”—detailed what he describes as grave abuses in how the FBI obtained surveillance warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to surveil Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign and later the first Trump administration.
It’s “the biggest scandal in U.S. history, by a long way,” he says.
In July 2025, the Trump administration released new documents shedding more light on the Russia probe, revealing the creation of an intelligence community assessment (ICA) at President Barack Obama’s behest that alleged Russian President Vladimir Putin had interfered in the presidential election in order to help Trump.
Nunes is currently serving as chair of the President’s Intelligence Advisory Board, a body created in 1956 during the Eisenhower era to advise the president on U.S. intelligence activities and provide an external check on the intelligence community.
In this episode, we sit down to reflect on the “Russiagate” saga, almost a decade later, and what accountability he’d like to see.
We also dive into his work as CEO of Truth Media & Technology Group (TMTG), which owns Truth Social.
TMTG recently announced an unexpected merger with the pioneering nuclear fusion company TAE Technologies. Why did they choose to make this move, and why is he convinced nuclear fusion technology will be critical to America’s future?
Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.
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| 0:00.0 | There's just so much lying that occurred. It was the biggest scandal in U.S. history. |
| 0:04.0 | How did I know about it? Well, because I had all the intelligence by that time. |
| 0:08.0 | It's been almost a decade since Devin Nunes spearheaded an investigation into the scandal that became known as Russia Gate, with now FBI director Cash Patel. |
| 0:18.0 | Grand conspiracy that they blamed Trump of doing, they actually were doing. |
| 0:22.6 | Now the big question is, was anybody going to be held accountable? |
| 0:25.6 | From my perspective, as a non-lawyer, what I'd be looking at is a grand conspiracy case that goes from 2015, 2016, all the way through at least to the rate at Mar-a-Lago. Nunes is now chair of the President's Intelligence Advisory Board, and also CEO of Truth Media |
| 0:43.5 | and Technology Group. |
| 0:45.2 | They recently announced an unexpected merger with the pioneering nuclear fusion company, |
| 0:50.8 | TAE Technologies. |
| 0:52.8 | You can have all the technology you want, all the AI, all the data centers, but there's |
| 0:57.0 | a problem. |
| 0:58.0 | There's not enough power. |
| 1:00.0 | I do believe that nuclear fusion is the answer. |
| 1:04.0 | The Chinese have put untold billions into this. |
| 1:07.0 | We're really racing against the clock. |
| 1:10.0 | This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Yanya Kelleck. |
| 1:17.1 | Devin Nunes, so good to have you back on American Thought Leaders. |
| 1:21.6 | It's great to be back, great to be with you. |
| 1:24.6 | Well, I was just looking at one of our first interviews back in October of 2019, |
| 1:31.5 | and we were talking about something we called SpyGate back then. These days, most people know it as |
| 1:36.6 | Russia Gate. I called you the head of objective Medusa, if you recall that name. But this is, I'll get you to tell me |
| 1:47.5 | what that was at a moment, okay? Because I doubt a lot of people will remember. But ultimately, |
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