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Devil in the Desert Bonus: The Third Man

20/20

ABC News

True Crime

3.87.3K Ratings

🗓️ 29 August 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

In this bonus episode of "Devil in the Desert," we look back at the perspective of the elusive third man involved in the crime of violent kidnapping and torture: Ryan Kevorkian. Matt Gutman and "Start Here" host Brad Mielke tell the story of the one person willing to share a first-hand account from the night of the crime, using never-before-heard police interview tape of Kevorkian himself. All episodes of "Devil in the Desert" are out now. Catch the whole series for free on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Amazon Music⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm John Quignores.

0:02.0

Vanessa Guillen, a 20-year-old soldier,

0:05.0

vanishes while on duty at an Army base in Texas.

0:09.0

Her family demands answers.

0:12.0

How can she go missing on a military base?

0:14.0

That's too ridiculous.

0:16.0

The search goes on for months.

0:19.0

Where is Vanessa? And a dark story starts to unfold.

0:25.6

She told her family that she was being sexually harassed

0:29.6

and wasn't reporting it out of fear of retribution and retaliation.

0:34.6

What investigators finally uncover is horrifying.

0:40.0

Find out how one soldier, a beloved sister and daughter, ignited a movement and sparked

0:46.5

a reckoning in the U.S. military.

0:50.0

Listen to Vanished.

0:51.7

What happened to Vanessa?

0:53.6

A new series from ABC Audio in 2020. Listen now,

0:58.1

wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, just a quick warning here. This episode contains very

1:05.0

graphic descriptions that may not be suitable for all listeners.

1:15.4

In a story like Devil in the Desert, sometimes there are a bunch of details that don't make it into the final version of the series, entire sidebars and plot twists that are so

1:19.8

interesting, but we just can't quite fit them into six episodes.

1:23.9

I'm Brad Milkey. I'm host of ABC's Start Here podcast, and as someone who was gasping with each twist and turn of devil in the desert, I'm glad that we get to bring you one of these today in a special bonus episode. Join me today is the host himself, Matt Gutman, ABC's chief national correspondent, who first learned to the story of Jose Nairi more than 10 years ago. He's been following it ever since. Matt, great to have you here. Hey, Brad. Good to be back. I think I've told you this before. I'm from Orange County in California where so much of this story takes place. So I grew up around Newport Beach. I grew up around Balboa Island. I made the drives out to the desert. So I was just transfixed by how unsettling these

2:02.3

locations became because of the depravity of this story. Obviously, Nairi is the centerpiece

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