Developing Racial Identity With Guests Rudy Lucas And Christine Schmidt (20)

Therapist Uncensored Podcast

Sue Marriott LCSW, CGP & Ann Kelley PhD

Social Sciences, Society & Culture, Science, Relationships, Education, Self-improvement

4.7 • 1.5K Ratings

🗓️ 1 February 2017

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Guests Christine Schmidt and Rudy Lucas join co-hosts Patty Olwell and Sue Marriott in a wide-ranging discussion on racial identity just after the election. Privileged white people talking about race can be awkward – we discuss how our natural sense of safety is part of our privilege and letting ourselves step out and get uncomfortable is necessary to even begin to dig in and get the compassion, understanding and necessary context to be able to be useful in these times. The safety bubble has popped and it could not be more obvious given the current political climate of division that a shaking and awakening is necessary. What is Racial Identity Rudy and Christine walk us through some of the steps necessary to look at aspects of racial identity, both white and black. We discuss immunity by color, invisibility, access, race avoidance, colorism, recommended study and literature, history and context, and we barely scratched the surface with this conversation. This quote stands out because of it’s clarity and it’s importance! In response to question about reverse racism, Rudy responded: “There is no such thing as reverse racism, because the determining factor is access to power. Oppressed populations never have been known to have any kind of power sufficient to have their feelings thoughts and wishes codified into the law….” And he concluded –“People can be guilty of prejudice, discrimination, judgement… but racist they cannot be in the absence of power. “ Rudy Lucas Racism must have the weight of history and institutional power under it to exist. Which is why those of us with history and the laws on our side can’t complain now that we are uncomfortable and see it as equal to an oppressed person’s suffering. The conversation ranged and covered many topics but Christine and Rudy recommend as next steps that you view these two videos: Fusion Video-How Microagressions Are Like Mosquito Bites Jay Smooth-How to Tell Someone They Sound Racist RESOURCES: Additional resources for this episode: Janet Helms-Black and White Racial Identity: Theory Research and Practice Peggy McIntosh- White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack Paula Rothenburg-White Privilege: Essential Reading on the Other Side of Racism Janet Helms and Donelda Cook-Using Race and Culture in Counseling and Psychotherapy Jay Smooth – cultural commentator check him out! Highly recommended. Alice Walker- Anything We Love Can Be Saved Alice Walker–Hard Times Require Furious Dancing William E. Cross-Shades of Black: Diversity in African-American Identity William E. Cross-documented his personal experience in scholarly publications such as The Negro to Black Conversion Experience in 1971 Alice Walker: Definition of Colorism: In search of our mothers’ gardens: womanist prose. Kenneth and Mamie Clark: Doll Study Authors to read:James Baldwin, Ta-Nehisi Coates, Howard Zinn, Michelle Alexander, Carol Anderson, Robin DiAngelo, Maya Angelou Eastern Group Psychotherapy Society (EGPS)Workgroup for Racial Equity EGPS Work Group for Racial Equity Resources List People’s Institute for Survival and Beyond:Undoing Racism Workshop These and other resources have been collected for you on our Resources page! Thanks again to our guests Christine Schmidt and Rudy Lucas! Our guests contact info is Christine Schmidt 718-398-1004 26 Court Street Suite 2604 Brooklyn, New York 11242 Rudy Lucas (917) 656-8083 25 Barrow St. Greenwich Village, NY 10014 Join our email list at www.therapistuncensored.com and get access to our private online Facebook community supporting the dissemination of the relational sciences to support healthy connections and relationships around the world! Tweet See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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0:00.0	Welcome to Therapists Unsensored, a podcast where therapists freely speak their minds about real life matters.
0:18.0	Welcome to episode 20 of therapists censored. So wow, what a week.
0:21.0	The rallies and the activism and the intensity and the energy and the pain.
0:28.2	We've certainly seen that from the chairs that we sit and really from the matter which side that you come from because the country
0:36.3	certainly divided you're having big feelings either direction and in one of
0:41.0	the rallies there was a sign an African American woman was holding a sign that said,
0:45.0	where were you all be at the next Black Lives Matter rally, which I thought was poignant.
0:50.0	And a few weeks before that, there was a conference where there was many white therapists
0:58.0	gathered and there was one black therapist who said, you guys need to be, be you know we were all struggling to
1:04.3	talk about race and race relations and racial identity and the black therapist said
1:10.6	white people need to be talking to white people about race you
1:13.8	don't need it we're ahead of you we're already talking about it you guys need to
1:18.6	catch up you'll need to talk about it among yourselves so we agree and this is what this podcast is going to be about, racial identity and we come at this
1:29.0	with the full awareness of our, well with the conscious awareness of what we can be aware of because we know
1:34.8	that we there are things that we can't understand with our white privilege and our
1:40.9	upper middle class access and and our white identities, but you know, with hat and our white identities, but you know,
1:48.6	with hat and hand we do want to be part of the conversation and we have guests on the show today
1:53.5	they're going to help facilitate this. Rudy Lucas and Christine Schmidt but
1:59.2	before I do that
2:03.4	introduction I just want to say one thing which is that this podcast is designed
2:07.4	or what we had in mind anyway was as long as you are willing to engage in the conversation, then we want it to be welcoming.
2:16.4	We don't want there to be shame, either direction.
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