Welcome to Back from the Abyss. I'm Dr. Craig Hecock. This is a place for stories of hope and healing, recovery, and redemption.

First, a couple of announcements about upcoming trainings. The workshop that I'm doing with

Hillary McBride this May in Victoria, British Columbia is almost full. It's called,

I love you, I hate you, are you my mom? And very relevant to today's episode, we'll be doing an experiential deep dive into working with transference and countertransference.

You can link to more information and registration through the show notes.

Also, I wanted to announce that I'll again be doing my training called Bringing Therapy

into Med Management this October here in Fort Collins.

This is a psychotherapy intensive workshop designed primarily for psychiatric NPs and

PAs who want to up their therapy game.

We'll be learning how to work in the unfolding clinical moment, how and when to utilize the here

and now, plus we'll go deep into our own shadow and countertransference tendencies.

The training is almost full, mostly from last year's waiting list.

So if you're interested, sign up right away.

Check out the trainings page on my website for more information and registration.

Today I'm featuring an interview I recently did with my friend and colleague Carrie Haynes

on her podcast called The Web, Weaving Psychology and Soul into Circlework.

You may remember Carrie from season five of Back from the Abyss.

She's a Colorado-based group therapy expert and consultant,

and we did an episode called Moving from the Head to the Heart, the gifts and challenges of group

therapy. I think you will find that this is a pretty special conversation, and for me, this is

one of my most favorite interviews. I so enjoyed recording this podcast.

Craig and I sat down in his office here in Fort Collins, face-to-face, and it really does

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