Detention Questions and the Women of the Islamic State
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🗓️ 22 September 2020
⏱️ 44 minutes
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Summary
It’s not something that gets a lot of attention in American news outlets, but there remain large numbers of women and children linked with the Islamic State detained in various camps in Syria. Some of the population in the camps are native to Iraq or Syria, but there are also significant numbers who traveled to the Islamic State from outside the Middle East. Many of these travelers came from Central Asia, but a not-insignificant number of them came from various countries in Western Europe—and many of those countries shied away from efforts to bring the women back home to face trial or otherwise reintegrate into society. Who are these women? What are conditions like in the camps? What is behind the reluctance of European countries to repatriate? And how should we think about the security threat that these women pose?
Jacob Schulz talked through these issues with Vera Mironova, a research fellow at Harvard and, among other things, author of a recent Lawfare post interviewing four women in these camps, and Fionnuala Ní Aoláin, the United Nations special rapporteur on the promotion and protection of human rights and fundamental freedoms while countering terrorism.
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| 1:43.2 | I'm Jacob Schultz and this is the LawFair podcast September 22, 2020. It's not something that |
| 1:51.2 | gets a lot of attention in American news outlets, but they remain large numbers of women and |
| 1:55.6 | children linked with the Islamic State who are detained in various camps in Syria. Some |
| 2:00.8 | of the population in the camps are native to Iraq or Syria, but there are also significant |
| 2:05.4 | numbers who traveled to the Islamic State from outside the Middle East. Many of these |
| 2:10.3 | travelers came from Central Asia, but a not insignificant amount of them came from various |
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