Detecting Deception | Analyzing the Colt Gray Case with Jack Fox

Zone 7 with Sheryl McCollum

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🗓️ 9 October 2024

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Colt Gray is a 14-year-old student who is the suspect in the mass shooting at Apalachee High School in Winder, Georgia on September 4, 2024.

In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, talks with is joined by Jack Fox, a former media professional turned statement analysis expert, to dissect the language used by a 14-year-old involved in a tragic school shooting in Georgia. Together, they explore the nuances of verbal cues and language that could signal deception, as Jack shares insights into how words can reveal hidden truths.

Jack Fox is a seasoned statement analysis expert with a background in media. Having transitioned from shaping narratives to unraveling them, Jack has worked with law enforcement, private investigators, and professionals across various industries. He has developed a comprehensive system for analyzing language and identifying deception, which he shares on his channel, Never a Truer Word.

Listeners can learn more about Jack Fox at his website, and on X @truer_word

Show Notes:

(0:00) Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum
(1:20) Sheryl introduces Jack Fox to Zone 7
(2:45) Case Study - Colt Gray's School Shooting Incident
(6:00) Analyzing Colt Gray's Statements
(7:40) Indicators of Deception in Colt's Words
(12:00) The Complexity of Lying and Statement Analysis
(23:30) Detecting Deception in Words
(24:45) Analysis shifts to Colt’s father, Colin, and his responses
(31:00) Colin's Relationship with Law Enforcement
(32:00) Colt's Access to Guns
(38:00) The Importance of Taking Threats Seriously
(42:00) “Order is important. Often revealing priority.” -P.H
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases.

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0:00.0	I am drained. I've been looking for her for 24 hours. They should have taken me instead of her.
0:19.3	Now that's a direct quote y'all.
0:21.6	And if you were watching TV that night when the boyfriend of a mother of a two-year-old child was making a statement on TV,
0:30.6	you might have thought, man, this poor guy, he's been searching for this baby and can't find her.
0:35.6	But if you had taken statement analysis
0:38.0	like I have, there's some things about that statement that would have made you sick to your
0:42.9	stomach. Later, they found that the boyfriend had dumped the two-year-old's body in a storm drain.
0:51.3	Statement analysis is something that I believe every rookie officer and seasoned detective
0:58.7	should have. I believe prosecutors and CSI and EMTs and paramedics should have it. Anyone
1:07.3	that could possibly hear a spontaneous utterance from a victim or a suspect or a witness should have statement analysis.
1:17.6	Y'all, tonight, we are lucky to have with us Jack Fox.
1:23.6	He's a former media professional who shifted his focus from influencing people with his own words to uncovering how others use their words to deceive.
1:36.7	He has analyzed statements of serial killers, public apologies, disgraced celebrities.
1:43.6	We've had a few of those lately.
1:45.8	And he has developed a system that has over 50 indicators
1:50.8	to assess the truthfulness or deception in statements.
1:57.1	Now, y'all can follow him and his analysis on his own channel, never a truer word.
2:04.6	His clients include law enforcement, private investigators, human resource professionals, investigative journalist, and private individuals.
2:15.5	Jack Fox, welcome to Zone 7. Hey, Cheryl, thank you so much for having me.
2:20.5	It's such an honor to be here. Absolutely. I'm digging the accent. We're going to have a good time.
2:26.6	Maybe we can understand each other the whole way through. I'm going to talk very slowly and clearly.
2:33.4	Oh, I love the way you talk, sugar.
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