Destiny: Norma and Nisha Burton, Navigating Liminal Realms

Earth Ancients

Cliff Dunning

Society & Culture, Social Sciences, Science

4.4 • 1.5K Ratings

🗓️ 6 August 2025

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

Safely explore inner worlds through altered states of consciousness

• Investigates drumming-induced trance states through shamanic journeying

• Provides advanced lucid dreaming training, sharing techniques for inducing lucidity and skillfully navigating our inner cosmos

• Explores the mindful use of psychedelics, offering guidance on setting intention, navigating the experience, and integrating insights

OFFERING TECHNIQUES from psychonauts ancient and modern, this profound guide helps you navigate consciously into the depths of the human psyche. Psychonavigation is the art of mindfully exploring the liminal realms of consciousness. This requires a map, a guide, and a clear intent, so one does not emerge overwhelmed and struggling with unexpected shadow material.

Norma and Nisha Burton map the important connection between three gateways into the psyche’s depths: lucid dreaming, shamanic drumming trance journeys, and ceremonial plant medicine journeys. With drumming-induced trance journeys, they explore the scientific effect on brainwave frequencies alongside consciousness teachings from indigenous cultures like the Sami of Norway and Huichol of Mexico. Their masterful approach to lucid dreaming transcends basic instruction, offering sophisticated techniques to not only summon but sustain lucidity and integrate suppressed parts of oneself. They explain how a mindful engagement with entheogens can be profoundly enhanced through these precursory mystical practices, creating a safe container for integration and meaning-making that honors the gravity of such experiences.

With these skillful methodologies, ancient psycho-spiritual techniques meet ultra-current science to enable seekers to process and integrate profound encounters with expanded consciousness.

Norma J. Burton is a counselor and theologian with academic degrees in Buddhist psychology and shamanic traditions. She specializes in trauma healing, shadow work, and Jungian dream analysis. Having apprenticed with indigenous elders for more than 30 years, she founded the Journey to Completion methodology and the Circle of Trust Healing Center.

Nisha Burton has been a skilled dream worker and lucid dreaming practitioner for more than a decade. She’s an award-winning filmmaker and a sought-after consultant on branding and emerging technologies for Fortune 100 companies. A specialist in visual storytelling and film-AI integration, she speaks at conferences and universities worldwide.

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0:00.0	Welcome to Destiny.
0:15.8	Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.
0:20.1	Well, hello. How are you? How are you? How are you doing? This is Cliff, your host of Destiny,
0:24.9	and I do hope you're doing well today. We have a, I think, an important program today. It has to do
0:31.8	with vision questing, working with trauma, and working with shamanic techniques that release trauma in a more natural
0:42.2	sense of the term. And when I say that, we have had, we've had people on the program talking
0:48.7	about working with psychedelics. That's another word for plant medicine.
0:58.5	And when we look at the indigenous use of plant medicines,
1:01.8	we find, and we'll learn more about this today, that they were typically not introduced until other types of vision quest
1:07.8	or journeying was completed.
1:15.1	And one of the areas that I have learned and known about for years and participated in is drumming, drum circles. Because what happens
1:20.8	when you are in a drum circle or you're focusing on your own drumming, you go into an altered state.
1:27.4	And in those altered states, you go into an altered state.
1:32.5	And in those altered states, you can begin working with what they call the shadow,
1:37.0	bringing out the shadow, working with traumatic incidents,
1:41.2	working with ancestral trauma, which is a big theme right now.
1:47.7	And I think, and I'm not a big advocate of psychedelics,
1:57.0	although we've had people on the program talking about ayahuasca, DMT, LSD, even in microdoses, which is the favorite focus for a lot of people, younger people, I guess, but it's not
2:04.7	necessarily the way for a lot of people, including myself.
2:09.5	And today we're going to hear from two people that I would consider shamans in their own
2:15.8	right.
2:17.1	In fact, one of my guests actually has worked with
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