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Earth Ancients

Destiny: John Kokko, Meridians, Acupuncture, and old World Medicine

Earth Ancients

Cliff Dunning

Science, Social Sciences, Society & Culture

4.41.5K Ratings

🗓️ 26 November 2025

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Summary

John Kokko

When I moved to the SF Bay area, a friend introduced me to Fu Yu-Tai, a renowned tui-na (traditional Chinese bodywork) practitioner in the Outer Richmond of the city. I became his first student, spending every Saturday from 8 am to 8 pm for a year studying under him and working with his patients. At the same time, I got a job working at Mayway, the largest Chinese herbal company in the country. Mama Lau became famous in Chinatown a couple of decades back, selling every traditional herb under the sun. She even started a restaurant cooking traditional herbal soups and dishes next door to their herb shop. What I learned there by the time they moved to Oakland was invaluable. I stayed there for 7 years, which got me through graduate school.Since acupuncture licensure, I've taught dozens of graduate courses at three acupuncture colleges for a decade and ran a program to help hundreds of graduates pass their state and national licensure board exams.

I also sat on the board of the California State Oriental Medical Association for 5 years, working with others in guiding policy and continuing education for our profession. However, I am most proud of teaching for 3 years at Contra Costa College. At this community college, the academic dean, Susan Lee, now a family friend, helped me set up a program for preventative health using the principles of traditional Chinese medicine. We saw people who reversed major alcohol and smoking addiction, chronic pain, blood sugar and hypertension issues, and anxiety and depression by utilizing the eight branches of Chinese medicine in their everyday lives. This was nothing short of miraculous in many cases and still inspires me today. My passions include creating community through the art of tea. For this, I owe a debt of gratitude to my late tea teacher, Winnie Yu, one of the first to bring artisanal tea to the West. She taught me to be generous and authentic, and that tea, like so many things, can bring us all together and dissolve differences.I continue to refine my clinical practice through ongoing studies with orthopedic expert Alon Marcus and Lonny Jarrett, a pioneer in integral medicine. Both have been awe-inspiring mentors and great friends on this amazing journey. I am committed to translating the depth of these teachers into our life practices, and I look forward to working with you. 

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0:00.0

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0:45.7

Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.

0:48.1

Cliff Dunning.

0:48.1

Music The

0:57.0

The This is Thanksgiving week here in the United States, so happy Thanksgiving from your friends at Destiny, Earth Ancients, and the special edition of Earth Ancients that we hear about occasionally.

1:40.0

And I hope you have a chance to be with your family and your friends during this festive occasion.

1:48.4

And it really is the beginning of the holiday season, the Christmas holiday season, or Hanukkah.

1:56.8

And, you know, we're thinking about the good year we've had, the positive interactions, the new friends, and, you know, giving thanks for all the good things that have happened.

2:12.1

Hey, this is Cliff, your host of destiny.

2:14.1

And, you know, as we settle into winter not quite wondering yet winter is

2:20.4

December 21st but it's getting cooler and the sun is going down earlier

2:25.9

I have to be very careful now because I need to get out at least three or four times a

2:31.2

week for a little hike so if, if I wait longer than like

2:35.7

three o'clock, the sun is dark at five, so I got to get out early. And so that's critical to get

2:45.6

some fresh air, at least for me, a guy who sits on his posterior for hours at a time, producing podcasts, editing podcasts, and getting the word out about our guests.

3:04.0

So anyway, happy Thanksgiving, and on where we go.

3:11.6

The program today is another in the series of tools for transformation.

3:16.6

And I wanted you guys to hear exactly the importance of acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine as a complementary healing tool when

3:28.9

you are unwell, feeling unbalanced, or perhaps depressed and filled with anxiety. And these are all

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