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I do believe that America is the most exceptional country in the world when we're willing to put our minds together and work on a thing

in the world.

Good afternoon, Michael Malice here. Let that be your welcome for the next hour.

Ron Paul dot Giff, it's happening. We have my most requested guest, Destiny, the streamer, finally here to do the show.

Destiny, I'm going to give you a whole long intro of how I became aware of you and who you are

because it's kind of fortuitous, which I'm using the word incorrectly.

Everyone's like, got to have this guy in your show, got to have a guy in your show.

And the way they were portraying you and I'll be curious to hear if you think that's accurate is he's a redpilled leftist.

And what he likes to do is to go into spaces that are not usually receptive to left of center ideas and have discussions in good faith

and engage with people who are otherwise not interested in hearing such things.

I first became aware of you when you were and we'll talk about this in a second.

You did Jesse Lee Peterson show several times and I suspect you like me have a soft spot in your heart for him that he's the closest thing in real life.

You're going to have to Dr. Steve Brawl.

And no matter what he says, you kind of have to be like, you know, all right, that's just Jesse being Jesse.

More recently, when people were like, you got to have this guy on, I watched your debate with Molly Annapolis about Christian nationalism.

And I was very kind of taken aback because for all his faults and whatever Milo, you know, had a reputation of being very witty.

Kind of this Oscar Wilde British, you know, bumble kind of person.

And it was not the Milo that I certainly had a chapter in my book that you write about.

He was trying to make the case for Christian nationalism. I felt I could do a better job than he did, even though I'm Jewish.

And he was making the case of the American Christian nation with the real Christians or Catholics.

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