From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to the Treatment, the Home Edition. I'm Elvis Mitchell. What's in the name? Well, I can't hear Spring, Joy, and Mirrely without thinking

of my guest, writer director, Destin, Daniel Kretton, whose new film, of course, is Shang Chi and the

Legend of the Ten Rings. And we should take him very seriously because in his second film,

as director, the stars were a couple of little-known actors named Bree Larson and Lakeith Stanfield.

Destin, I can't thank you enough for doing this. Thank you.

It's so nice to be here. Thank you.

No problem. Listen, but I want to talk to you about this thing that you've been able to do in your

films, which is, at the heart of them, they're all about abandonment and how people deal with that.

That's a very good assessment.

I'm not sure I am purposely doing that.

But I do find that I gravitate towards stories that are exploring how characters deal with things when they are isolated and how being surrounded by a community affects them

in different ways. And it honestly is also a big reflection of just my own life and growth as a

human working through my own things through the subjects that I'm exploring.

Yeah, because in all the features that you direct it, at some point, we are faced with a

character who comes to grips with the fact that they've been abandoned and isolated.

I mean, I think about that great scene near the end of Just Mercy, where it's Jamie Fox, and he's talking

with the other convicts, and they all come to the realization that they're in the same boat,

or even we see, then, I am not a hipster.

I mean, and you were attracted to doing the Glass Castle, the adaptation of the book.

So this is something that clearly interests you in a lot of ways.

I grew up always around people. There's six kids in my family, and I draw a lot of personal

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