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Conversations with Coleman

Designer Babies and AI Jobs Are No Longer Sci-Fi

Conversations with Coleman

The Free Press

Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.82K Ratings

🗓️ 2 February 2026

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

Jamie Metzl is a former national security official, biotech futurist, and one of the earliest public voices to argue that Covid likely came from a lab accident. Today he talks about why that possibility became taboo; what gain-of-function research gets wrong; and how fear and politics distort scientific judgment. From there, we move into the future of gene editing, embryo selection, genetically modified organisms (GMOs), and artificial intelligence (AI)—what’s actually coming, what people misunderstand, and why the hardest questions ahead of us aren’t likely technical, but moral. https://jamiemetzl.com/human-genetic-engineering-and-the-catholic-church/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

If you love epic stories of myth and legend, listen up.

0:03.2

Before Camelot and before the crown,

0:05.8

the Penn Dragon cycle Rise of the Merlin tells the origin story of the legend that shaped Britain

0:11.6

in a seven-episode cinematic epic years in the making.

0:15.6

This is not a retelling of the King Arthur story.

0:18.1

It's the rise of the world that made Arthur possible. The Penn

0:22.1

Dragon cycle Rise of the Merlin is available now on Daily Wire Plus. Shot across multiple

0:28.1

international locations, this series brings myth to life with serious production value, full-scale

0:33.5

battles, and a sweeping original orchestral score. At its core, this is a return to classic

0:39.1

epic storytelling, where faith, prophecy, and sacrifice truly matter. Stream the Pendragon

0:45.1

cycle Rise of the Merlin only on Daily Wire Plus. Welcome to another episode of conversations

0:51.5

with Coleman. My guest today is Jamie Metzell.

0:55.5

Jamie Metzell is an American technology and healthcare futurist, geopolitical analyst, and

1:00.7

author known for his work on the societal impact of genetics, biotechnology, and AI.

1:06.6

A former U.S. national security official, he's the author of Hacking Darwin and Super Convergence.

1:13.0

Jamie was also one of the very first public intellectuals to argue that COVID-19 had come from a lab in Wuhan.

1:19.5

In this episode, we talk about how Jamie became the Lab League whistleblower, and then we get on to the scary and exciting future of genetic editing.

1:28.4

We talk about how gene editing will affect parenting. We talk about embryo selection technology,

1:34.2

which in theory allows people to choose the traits their children will have, at least to an

1:38.5

extent. We talk about how the world's religions are likely to treat gene editing tech when it comes fully on

1:44.8

board. We talk about the myth that GMOs genetically modified organisms are bad for your health.

1:50.9

We talk about whether artificial intelligence will cause mass unemployment and much more.

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