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I think it's such an interesting dynamic to delve into because I don't think it has a name

what we are.

We're not best friends, although Will was best man at my wedding.

We're kind of beyond best friends.

This is Design Matters with Debbie Norman.

On this episode, Debbie talks with the design duo Alex Beck and Will Hudson about their close friendship and

long collaboration and about what they've learned along the way.

And actually some of the best advice I got ages ago was never announce you're stopping

something because people will be up for.

Just stop doing it and see if anyone notices.

Here's Debbie first with the word from our sponsor.

Then her interview with Will Hudson and Alex Beck.

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