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This archival recording of Design Matters took place in October of 2016.

This is design matters with Debbie Millman from Design Observer.com.

For 11 years now, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other

creative types about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're

thinking about. On this podcast, Debbie Millman talks with Bonnie Seaglerler about her career and about the conflict between designers and their clients.

The clients aren't the problem. The clients aren't jerks. They're not assholes. It's not that they have bad taste or anything like that.

Sometimes they just have no idea how to interact with professional creative people.

Here's Debbie Millen.

Let's say you have a business partner and you call your graphic design studio number 17.

Your company is very successful and celebrated, but then you decide to strike out on your

own.

So what do you call your new company? If you're Bonnie

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