Design Matters (featuring Kate & Leisha)

PANTS with Kate and Leisha

Lemonada

Society & Culture

5 • 5.8K Ratings

🗓️ 11 June 2025

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

Leisha and Kate join Debbie Millman on Design Matters to discuss queer representation, their creative collaborations, and navigating the business of show business.

Design Matters is one of the first and longest running podcasts in the world. Hosted by designer, writer, educator, and artist Debbie Millman, the show centers on how the world’s most incredibly creative people—designers, writers, artists, musicians, educators, scientists, philosophers, athletes and performers—design the trajectory of their lives.

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0:00.0	It was just
0:01.8	watching
0:03.5	like a moving yearbook of high school
0:06.2	and all of your awkward moments on television
0:08.2	and we both, maybe we got through
0:10.4	two episodes and we're like,
0:12.2	turn it off, turn it off, I can't do it anymore.
0:14.8	Stop, stop.
0:18.7	From the Tet Audio Collective,
0:20.5	this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.
0:25.7	On Design Matters, Debbie talks with some of the most creative people in the world about what they do,
0:30.7	how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about, and working on.
0:35.0	On this episode, Catherine Minnick and Alicia Haley of the L Word
0:38.5	talk about their long friendship
0:40.3	and how they've persevered
0:42.3	in the business of show business.
0:44.5	I mean, that's the crux of...
0:46.3	How you survive in this business or not.
0:50.3	I mean, we still battle it today.
0:57.7	Shame? I mean, we still battle it today. Shane and Alice. Alice and Shane.
1:02.2	If you watch the L-word back in the day, you know which characters I'm talking about.
1:08.1	Shane McCutcheon and Alice Piazeki, best friends, edgy haircuts, both funny
	...

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