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Design Matters with Debbie Millman is on break and will return with new episodes in May.

In the meantime we're replaying some of the best interviews from the past 15 years.

This is Esther Perrell from October of 2017.

This is design matters with Debbie Millman from Design Observer.com.

For 13 years now, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative types about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about.

On this podcast, Debbie Millman talks with therapist and author Esther Peril about marriage, polyamory, and adultery.

Many affairs, if they were not discovered and they were left alone, they would die a natural death.

Here's Debbie Millman.

Ten years ago, Esther Perel took a big turn in her career.

She was a psychotherapist known for her clinical work with intercultural and interfaith couples.

She has since turned her attention to relationships and sex.

In 2007, she wrote a book titled,

Mating in captivity, Unlocking Erotic Intelligence.

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