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Good morning. This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's episode is going to be a slightly longer one, part of the series where I interview

fascinating people about how they take their days from great to awesome and any advice

they have for the rest of us.

So today I am delighted to welcome Marcus Buckingham to Before Breakfast.

Marcus is a longtime thought leader on leadership.

He's a speaker. He is also the author of the new book, Design Love In. Marcus, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me,

Laura. Yeah, very excited to have you. Why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself?

Well, I'm a psychometrician, actually, by training, which means that I measure things about human beings that are really important, but you can't count.

So how do you measure strengths? How do you measure talents? How do you measure how satisfied or happy you are with your life?

All those kinds of things that kind of make life worth living. So I spent 17 years with the Gallup organization building something called Strength Finder, which is all about how do you find out what your strengths are. And then in the 17 years since then,

I've just built my own business focused on how do you help leaders to get the most of themselves

and the most of the people that they lead and the people that they serve?

Absolutely. Well, I know a lot of listeners have done the various strength finders assessments

over the years.

So in the entry to your new book, to design Love Inn, you talk about coming to love as a topic, which we'll get to it a sec, but at some kind of dark moments for yourself.

I wonder if you could talk about that a little bit.

Yeah, well, I built my company over 10 years, focused on, focused on helping leaders to get

the best out of the people that they lead. And we built this lovely, entrepreneurial,

passionate group of people who'd come together to serve our clients in a way that was very

loving. I mean, it was the kind of environment where you

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