Desecration, Not Disenchantment | Interview: Carl Trueman

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

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Politics, News

4.7 • 6.6K Ratings

🗓️ 23 March 2026

⏱️ 73 minutes

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In a stunning debut performance, new friend of The Remnant Carl Trueman joins Jonah Goldberg to discuss America’s renewed interest in religion, society’s need for God, the moral questions of technology, the Butlerian Jihad, transhumanism, Nietzsche, antisemitism, sources of meaning, eugenics, and the desecration of man.Show Notes:—Trueman’s book: The Desecration of Man: How the Rejection of God Degrades Our Humanity—Trueman on TRIGGERnometry—Charles Murray on The Remnant—Tom Holland’s book: Dominion: How the Christian Revolution Remade the World—Trueman on The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan—Sam Altman's descent into insanity—Friedrich Nietzsche's book: The Gay Science—Russ Roberts’s book: Wild Problems—Jonah’s book: Suicide of the WestThe Remnant is a production of ⁠The Dispatch⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including access to all of Jonah’s G-File newsletters—⁠click here⁠. If you’d like to remove all ads from your podcast experience, consider becoming a premium Dispatch member ⁠by clicking here⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention.
0:18.0	Can you digger?
0:27.5	Greetings or listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant podcast, brought to you by the
0:31.2	Dispatch and Dispatch Media with war raging in Iran and the Save Act before Congress,
0:39.6	we thought it was vitally important to once again counterprogram
0:43.0	and talk about the desecration of man.
0:46.3	So today we have Dr. Carl R. Truman.
0:50.0	He's a professor of biblical and religious studies
0:52.2	at Grove City College in Grove City, Pennsylvania.
0:56.0	He has degrees in classics and whatnot from Cambridge and the University of Aberdeen.
1:03.1	He's the author of a whole bunch of books, including The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self.
1:08.1	And his new book, which I received yesterday, I'm very excited about,
1:12.7	is The Desecration of Man, How the Rejection of God Degrades Our Humanity.
1:19.5	Carl Truman, welcome to the Remnant.
1:21.4	Great to be here, Jonah.
1:22.6	Thanks so much for having me on.
1:23.7	I feel like I'm missing an opportunity to have you opine about the meaning of the
1:28.1	remnant in biblical language, but we will come to that later. As per tradition, the first question
1:33.5	I'm going to ask you is, what's your book about? It's a book that was triggered by, if you
1:38.7	pardon the pun, triggered by an interview I had with the British podcast Trigonometry a few years ago, which was a couple of
1:46.5	atheist guys had me on.
1:48.5	And one of their first questions was, is it possible to build a moral society without belief in God?
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