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Derek MythVision VS Jay Dyer Heated Exchange! Epistemic Foundations! Via MadebyJimbob & Crucible

Jay'sAnalysis

Jay Dyer

Education, Comedy, Arts, Performing Arts

4.4902 Ratings

🗓️ 29 December 2024

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Jimbob and the Crucible invited me to hop on a discussion which I thought was a debate. I came in hot and heated and things escalated into a wild chat! Full show is here: https://www.youtube.com/@MadebyJimbob Derek is here: https://www.youtube.com/@MythVisionPodcast Crucible is here: https://www.youtube.com/@The_Crucible Send Superchats at any time here: https://streamlabs.com/jaydyer/tip The New Philosophy Course is here: https://marketplace.autonomyagora.com/philosophy101 Use JAY50 promo code here https://choq.com for huge discounts - 50% off! Set up recurring Choq subscription with the discount code JAY53LIFE for 53% off now Lore coffee is here: https://www.patristicfaith.com/coffee/ Orders for the Red Book are here: https://jaysanalysis.com/product/the-red-book-essays-on-theology-philosophy-new-jay-dyer-book/ Subscribe to my site here: https://jaysanalysis.com/membership-account/membership-levels/ Follow me on R0kfin here: https://rokfin.com/jaydyer

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0:00.0

requires that we have knowledge of the laws of physics and that the regularity in nature maintains, right?

0:04.6

If the regularity didn't maintain, we wouldn't be able to explain anything because it wouldn't

0:09.0

maintain its identity over time. So if your premise one is a miracle based on your naturalistic

0:15.4

view is something that can't be explained definitionally by the laws of physics and the regularity of

0:21.7

nature which is the other way you explain things in reality right i'm saying those things

0:27.3

themselves can't be to get get explained by those laws they just they just exist right honestly

0:34.5

to be honest with you jim bob it sounds like a word game to try and convince people that I somehow accept a miracle when I don't. I don't see the miracle in this case.

0:42.9

We're talking about rising from the dead. We're talking about things that we've read in ancient

0:47.4

text and here we are playing this game. Can you define the meaning of truth by the word truth

0:51.9

and stuff like that? And I'm going like, I don i understand i don't i don't see a miracle in any of that though i don't understand

0:58.4

that truth and stuff like that and i'm going jay you got an echo there he goes um all that's all

1:08.4

i really want to run with you Derek I know you have to eat

1:10.9

but this is one guest you wanted to come on and ask a couple questions

1:16.7

Jay me oh yeah am I the guest yeah you're the guest now well seems like the argument

1:23.2

rests on an assumption of the things that like that you already know what things are and are not

1:28.6

possible and I mean maybe it's right the the you know the criterion that you've chosen I think

1:34.9

you appeal to things like scientists and stuff like that but how do you know that you've chosen

1:39.3

the right criteria for what is and isn't possible like Like what's the basis for that choice?

1:45.0

You're talking to me?

1:46.0

Yeah.

1:47.0

I would just go with based on my observations and experiences and those of countless other critical scholars who evaluate this literature and recognizing that we're dealing with legendary materials, just like Soutonius discusses the birth of augustus through apollo um several divine births

2:06.2

and antiquity but you have the miracle of jesus birth and they look literarily very similar

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