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podcast survey Post. supposed to be the new face of white nationalism. His godfather is David Duke. His father

created the white nationalist website Stormfront. Black himself used to host a radio show and

run workshops pushing a white nationalist message.

And then in college he changed.

Listen to Derek talk about his journey out of hatred, how belief in white nationalist ideals are more widely

held than you'd think, and the danger the Trump presidency poses to our nation as he rides

white nationalist coat tails, here at all right now.

Derek Black, welcome to the podcast.

Hey Jonathan, thanks for having me on.

So I didn't know anything about you

until my colleague at the post, Eli Sasbo,

sent me an email saying, I've just written this book

called Rising Out of Hatred.

It is about this guy named Arad Derek. called Rising Out of Hatred of Hatred Black who was basically the air apparent to the throne if you will of white nationalism who came through on the other side and I read the book it was fantastic

Did the podcast with with Eli put it out into the world and unbeknownst to me you were a

subscriber to this

and just was on a walk and you were listening and discovered you were the subject of conversation.

Yeah, that's exactly my experience.

I was still living in Chicago at that point and I was doing my morning commute and

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