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🗓️ 5 February 2025
⏱️ 33 minutes
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Prior to the election, Elon Musk warned non-billionaire Americans to brace for “temporary hardship” (approving) in the event of a second Donald Trump presidency. Over the weekend, after insisting he’d impose 25 percent tariffs on all Canadian and Mexican imports, Trump also acknowledged (perhaps for the first time) that his economic policies will cause “pain.” By Monday, he’d backed down from the tariffs, but Musk is still on a rampage through the federal bureaucracy and Trump continues his efforts to purge the Justice Department and remake the government dictatorially.
In this episode, Matt and Brian discuss:
* Why did Trump (again) chicken out of his tariff threats?
* Does it tell us anything meaningful about his real views, his political calculations, or what he may do in the future?
* Why didn’t Trump exempt China, and what does that mean for the U.S. economy (and for Musk, who conducts tons of business in China)?
Then, behind the paywall, a through line connecting Trump’s economic policy bluster with his very real effort to mount an authoritarian takeover. What are Trump, Musk, and his technogoons doing behind the scenes at the Treasury Department? Why are they also fixated on USAID? And how should Democrats, including nervous moderates, be prepared to respond?
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Further reading:
* Brian’s 18 thoughts on the omnicrisis, what Trump thinks he’s doing, and how to sort his volleys and outrages to focus on what matters most.
* Matt makes the case that beleaguered civil servants shouldn’t quit their jobs.
* What Musk’s techdork mafia appears to be doing at the Treasury Department.
* Did Russians sneak a bug into the Oval Office during Trump’s first presidency?
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0:01.3 | Yeah. |
0:01.7 | Hold that thought. |
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0:15.2 | This week, Matt and I will discuss the two main categories of crisis that Donald Trump is trying to foist upon the country, |
0:22.6 | and really, I guess, the whole world. First, his serial threats to tariff allies, |
0:28.7 | including Canada and Mexico. And second, his ongoing domestic efforts to subvert the |
0:35.9 | Constitution and the rule of law. What do these provocations |
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0:51.2 | Hey, everyone. Welcome to the politics podcast. I'm Brian Boitler. I'm Matthew Gleuzeus. |
0:55.4 | So we were planning and we're going to kick off today by talking about Donald Trump's latest big threat to impose tariffs on our biggest trading partners. But then it turns out, surprise, he was basically mostly bluffing again. |
1:10.4 | Over the weekend, Trump announced that he |
1:12.7 | intended to impose 25% tariffs on Canadian and Mexican imports, which would blow up the successor |
1:19.6 | trade agreement to NAFTA called US-Mexico-Canada Agreement. Then Mexico and Canada announced |
1:24.9 | retaliatory measures, markets wobbled, and Trump said, |
1:29.5 | just kidding, I've talked to leaders of those countries, and they made zero concessions to me. |
1:35.2 | So we've just postponed the tariffs for one month. |
1:38.9 | In fairness to him, he also announced a surplus 10% tariff on Chinese imports that I guess is still on the books. |
1:47.3 | But like what are we even talking about here anymore? I mean, I was like tempted to just |
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