Welcome to the Eric Metaxis show with your host, Eric Mettaxas.

Folks, a very, very special episode of the Eric Metaxus show.

We're going to be playing a conversation I had.

Pastor Frank Ramseur, Calvary Chapel Chattanooga invited me and Dennis Prager to talk about the hot

issues of the day. This is one of the most no-holds-barred conversations I've ever had. Dennis is

extraordinary. Here it is. The founders in my book, if you can keep it,

I thought they all understood that these ideas are what give you America and freedom. You can't

get away from it. If you don't care about honor and dignity and these deep ideas, so Washington

embodied these ideas.

But we no longer have anybody talking about it.

We've become so secular that we're not even able to lean into these virtues

that everyone, every Jew, every Gentile, every Christian,

every, everybody in the culture in in almost every culture would talk about wisdom

and the gray hair gives you wisdom. It was just a concept and it takes a really sick culture

to throw that away and to think that you're being smart, you're being intellectual, but there's nothing there.

And what I found in studying these atheists is,

it was actually astonishing.

It's hard for me to believe that they could have not only nothing to say,

but that the things that they would say would just be so patently stupid.

You'd think it's not possible. These are really smart people. Surely they've got some stuff to say

that's more substantive. And literally this morning, my wife was saying to me, you know, Erica,

when your atheism book comes out, you should write like an op-ed or something talking about atheism and freedom

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