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Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Denis Noble: The Evidence That Neo-Darwinism Is Dead

Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Curt Jaimungal

Physics, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Science

4.6 • 606 Ratings

🗓️ 30 July 2024

⏱️ 116 minutes

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Summary

Denis Noble argues that neo‑Darwinism is dead and examines purpose, agency, and holism in biology, contrasting his views with Richard Dawkins and covering topics from the Gaia hypothesis to stochasticity and morphic resonance.- 00:00 - Intro- 00:20 - Neo-Darwinism is Dead- 06:30 - Richard Dawkins Differences- 17:02 - Purpose As Individual Agents / Purpose Given- 26:05 - Function vs. Purpose in Living Systems- 33:30 - Gaia Hypothesis (Lovelock)- 37:46 - Anti-Natalist- 41:52 - “The Only Free Will Worth Having”- 46:52 - Stochasticity- 52:50 - Rupert Sheldrake / Morphic Resonance- 59:11 - Holism- 01:06:32 - Dualism / Separate Laws for Separate Parts- 01:18:01 - Multi-Cellularity Emerged Long Ago- 01:34:00 - Maladaptive Evolution Happens All the Time- 01:39:18 - Denis Noble & Richard Dawkins- 01:45:27 - What is Purpose? (For Agents)- 01:53:22 - Outro / Support TOESPONSORS:- Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal- YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdWIQh9DGG6uhJk8eyIFl1w/join- Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE- PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE- TOE Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerchRESOURCES:- Richard Dawkins book: https://www.amazon.com/Selfish-Gene-Anniversary-Introduction/dp/0199291152- Denis Noble’s book: https://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Living-Systems-Life/dp/1009277367- Gerald Edelman’s book: https://www.amazon.com/Neural-Darwinism-Theory-Neuronal-Selection/dp/0465049346- Denis Noble’s paper with Daniel Phillips: https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1113/JP284420- The Music of Life (Denis’ book): https://www.amazon.com/Music-Life-Biology-Beyond-Genes/dp/0199228361- Dance to the Tune of Life (Denis’ book): https://www.amazon.com/Dance-Tune-Life-Biological-Relativity/dp/1107176247- Denis’ Progress in Biophysics paper: http://www.voicesfromoxford.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Shapiro-Noble-2021.pdf- The Illusions of the Modern Synthesis (Denis’s paper): https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12304-021-09405-3- The Origin of Species (Charles Darwin’s book): https://www.amazon.com/Origin-Species-Charles-Darwin/dp/0517123207- Dawkins/Noble debate (transcript): https://www.denisnoble.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/TranscriptReferences.pdf Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. SPONSOR: I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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If I'm right, there's a huge amount of biology still to be discovered. Processes well beyond what you'll find in the textbooks today.

0:39.3

The experimental facts are already clear. Neodarwinism is dead.

0:49.1

Does the claim that Neo-Darwinism is, quote-unquote, dead, overstate, accurately state, or

0:55.5

understate your position? Well, he more or less accurately states it, I think. The fact is that

1:03.4

there are four major foundations of the neo-Darwinist position, that DNA is a self-replicator, it isn't, that the

1:14.5

Weissan barrier protects the eggs and sperm from being affected by the body.

1:19.8

Well, it doesn't.

1:20.9

We've shown that information can travel from the body to the germ line.

1:30.9

And that the central dogma, as it's called,

1:33.7

which is that DNA is used to make proteins,

1:36.8

but proteins are never used to make DNA,

1:48.1

doesn't prevent organisms when they need to change their DNA. Now, those are the basic assumptions of the neo-Darminist view of modern biology, and I'm afraid they've all crumbled. It's as though

1:54.7

you've got the foundations of a subject, and they've gone. So, no, I don't apologize for using rather strong language.

2:04.8

I think as a theory, it is now dead.

2:07.7

By any criteria, if you show that the foundations are incorrect,

2:12.9

then the theory is not worthwhile.

2:16.1

Furthermore, the obvious test of it is the information you get from the

2:24.0

molecular processes like the DNA sequence and so on, which we can measure, is that really

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