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Clock It with Symone & Eugene

Dems Need to Rethink Their Litmus Tests, with Greg Casar

Clock It with Symone & Eugene

MS NOW, Eugene Daniels, Symone Sanders Townsend

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🗓️ 15 October 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Strategist Lis Smith joins Jen to assess the latest in Democratic politics, and Rep. Greg Casar (D-TX) offers his prescription to Dems for winning back voters’ trust.

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0:00.0

Hi, everyone. It's Jen Saki. I'm back with Season 2 of The Blueprint.

0:19.7

No matter where you fall, it's pretty clear that the Democratic Party is at a bit of a crossroads.

0:24.9

Democrats are looking to regain power, but there's a lot of disagreement about what the winning formula looks like to get there.

0:31.4

So this season on the blueprint, I'm going to sit down with some of the biggest names at the center of the debate over reshaping the party. And I'm also going to keep an eye, of course, on the races that are coming up a few weeks from now and what they may tell us. Each week, I'm also going to link up with political strategist Liz Smith. Liz is a veteran of just about every kind of democratic campaign you can think of. She's worked for Barack Obama. That's where I met her. Pete Buttigieg,

0:55.1

Mallory McMorrow. If there's an up-and-coming Democratic candidate anywhere, Liz is probably involved somehow.

1:02.2

And we're going to talk about the big debates within the Democratic Party right now, too. The

1:05.9

candidates running, primaries, and what it all says about where the party is headed.

1:14.6

I don't think we'll see everything the same way, and that's okay.

1:17.3

And I won't see everything the same way with the guests I have on.

1:19.5

They probably won't see everything the same way with each other.

1:20.6

That's the point.

1:22.3

Now's the time to have the discussions.

1:28.9

With that, let's kick this off with Liz.

1:34.3

Then we're going to toss my conversation over to one with Greg Kazar, chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

1:36.6

Okay, Liz, Liz, Smith, I'm so happy to see you.

1:37.2

How are you?

1:38.4

I am great.

1:39.2

You left out.

1:42.7

I'd also worked on DA races, state rep races.

1:47.7

There really isn't race in electoral politics that I haven't touched in my career.

1:55.2

Dog catcher. You've done all the things. I mean, I really couldn't list your whole resume because we'd be here forever. I just wanted to give people a sample of it.

2:02.0

So I was thinking last night about when I first met you because I first met you in the 2012 election when we were both working for Barack Obama, and we had very different jobs. My job was to travel around with

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