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When they're recruiting candidates, they are looking for, number one thing, can they raise the money?

Which is, are they personally rich? Do they have rich friends number two is bio resume basically you know high name recognition because you know

they're a sitting elected statewide person or they were a marine and a road scholar and they

you know now they're a neurosurgeon,

whatever. Are they good at talking to people? Are they good at getting attention? Do they

have Riz? That actually doesn't rate that high in the candidate recruitment playbook. And so part of

this, too, is about thinking about candidates in a little bit of a

different way because those staffers are probably correct that some of the people that have

been recruited, you don't want going two hours unscripted in a podcast.

I'm John Favreau, and you just heard from Friend of the Pod Chris Hayes, the host of MSNBC's All In with Chris Hayes and the author of many books, including his latest, The Sirens Call, which he talked about last time he was here.

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