Hey, everyone, it's me, Sam Stein, managing editor at the Bullwark.

I'm here with Lauren Egan, author of the opposition newsletter, which everyone obviously is already subscribing to.

But if you are not, do it.

This is a Bullwark take.

We're going to be talking about her new newsletter, but also the larger debate now roiling Democrats over what the hell to do about ICE in the wake of the Renee good shooting in Minneapolis and really the

sort of invasion of the city by ice. Lauren, you wrote a piece. I had a scoop, a memo from

this new upstart Democratic think tank called Searchlight, a bunch of moderate-minded people,

I would say. You know, they have a more nuanced position on what to do about ice.

First of all, tell us about it.

Secondly, explain how cool that hat is and where we can get it.

And third, I don't want to reveal too much, but you seem to be persuaded or,

not one over, but persuaded by their argument for what to do about ICE in the writing of this.

Can you explain why you think they have the right touch or maybe you don't think that?

Sure. You're throwing a lot at me there, Sam.

You can ignore the second question.

So this new think tank sent out this memo to lawmakers in the House and the Senate this morning.

And basically they're arguing, which we've heard over the course of the past few days,

stay away from abolish ice. They basically describe it as playing into Republicans' like trap.

They say it's incredibly toxic and that all you do is communicate that you're not willing to enforce laws.

And instead, they're saying you should lean into proposing reforms, you know, whether it's

weeding out bad apples that are the Trump

administration has recruited to be in ICE, revamping training processes, things like that.

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