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Moral Maze

Democratic Legitimacy

Moral Maze

BBC

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.5609 Ratings

🗓️ 11 November 2020

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Donald Trump is refusing to concede the US election, making unsubstantiated claims of electoral fraud and planning rallies across the country to build support for the legal fights ahead. The ‘leader of the free world’ is having a wobble and it is a testing time for democracy. President-elect Joe Biden has pledged to unify a country that has become so polarised that even the choice about whether or not to wear a mask during a pandemic is seen as political. What do the deep divisions, and even the denial of the outcome of the vote, mean for the democratic legitimacy of the office of the president? Many of Mr Biden’s followers believe there is now a moral imperative for all Americans, regardless of their politics, to support him in his attempt to unite the states of America. Many Trump voters, however, say they feel not just forgotten, but despised by the opposition, and see the appeal to unity as another way of telling large swathes of the electorate to ‘get with the programme’ or to ‘see the error of their ways’. Democratic legitimacy can be a slippery concept. Many have argued that there is no such thing as the ‘will of the people’, or even, depending on voter turnout, the will of most people. As Brexit trade talks resume this week, there are still those who refuse to accept the legitimacy of the referendum and believe the concerns voiced in the last four years about the social, political and economic impact of leaving the EU change the democratic, and moral, equation. Their opponents denounce them as democracy deniers. How long after a democratic decision is made are we compelled to be loyal to it? While we can all be pious about democratic legitimacy, can we also be guilty of playing fast and loose with it when it suits us? With Prof Matthew Goodwin, Dr Jan Halper-Hayes, Prof Allan Lichtman and Prof Bo Rothstein.

Producer: Dan Tierney.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Good evening. Nobody would ever say that democracy was tidy, any more than they call soon-to-be ex-President Trump gracious.

0:07.3

He continues to claim he lost the election because of fraud, though has yet to produce any substantial evidence.

0:12.9

Polls taken before the vote suggest as many as two-thirds of his supporters will be agreeing with him.

0:19.1

For his part, President-elect Biden has been calling for unity,

0:22.5

for those beaten to keep their side of the democratic bargain, accept, comply, cooperate.

0:28.2

Easy for those, on this side of the Atlantic as well, who would call themselves progressives

0:32.2

when the vote goes in their favour. Here, though, many of the same voices are to be heard

0:36.9

urging a rethink of Brexit,

0:38.9

democratically, if narrowly, decided four years ago. Time, they say, for the issues and the

0:43.8

consequences to become clearer. Maybe it's democracy's fault, or the temper of the times,

0:49.5

the polarisation, the idea that those who disagree with you are either ignorant or malign.

0:58.7

As Mr Biden himself bemoaned, the opposition has become the enemy.

1:04.3

In the end, it's a moral as much as a political question of democratic legitimacy.

1:05.8

What confers it?

1:07.2

How long does it last?

1:09.8

How do you get those defeated to accept it?

1:12.4

That's our moral maze tonight. The panel,

1:16.5

Mona Siddiqui, Professor of Islamic and Inter-Religious Studies at Edinburgh University,

1:22.7

Anne McElvoy, senior editor at The Economist, the historian Tim Stanley, and the chief executive of the RSA, Matthew Taylor. Tim Stanley, you covered the US election.

1:28.2

Do you see it as vindication of democracy or a sign it's in some kind of distress?

1:33.2

I think it was a wild ride and I'm not quite sure we've got the outcome yet.

1:36.3

All I would say is I am very pro-democracy, but I'm cynical about it.

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