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And for more on the politics of the shutdown, we're joined now by Democratic strategist

Fas Shakir and Republican strategist Doug High. Great to see you both.

Good to be with you.

So there is a real disconnect between the pain that federal workers are experiencing and

the lack of urgency among lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

How do you make sense of that gap?

I think it's pretty simple.

And it's that history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes.

If we go back to the 2013 shutdown, Republicans said, we have to fight Obamacare.

We didn't have a strategy to land a punch, to win the round, to knock down our opponent.

And it blew up in our faces.

Democrats right now, what are they saying?

We have to fight Donald Trump.

It's not clear that they have a strategy to win the round, to land a punch, to beat Trump.

And so we have this impasse where you have two parties that are essentially

communicating to their base. Everybody who was in that package you played earlier is caught in

the middle of these politics. And both sides not only think they can win, they think they are

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