Dem Senator EXPOSED for “Reforms” That Secretly Fund ICE
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🗓️ 30 January 2026
⏱️ 25 minutes
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While the DHS is sending masked ICE agents into cities, rounding up immigrants and citizens alike, killing protesters, and creating chaos, Democrats are making a big show of being anti-ICE. They’re calling for reforms, body cams, accountability, and training.
This sounds great, but civil rights attorney and Copaganda author Alec Karakatsanis reveals it’s actually “extremely dangerous.” Under the guise of reform, the Democrats are playing a key role in a centuries-old strategy of building an oppressive, high-surveillance police state used to target the most vulnerable communities in the country.
And it’s all a plot.
Useful Idiots: What are the most dangerous reforms being pushed by the Democrats and why are they dangerous?
Alec Karakatsanis: One of the most important ones that you hear constantly from Democratic Party leadership right now is body cameras. Now, aside from how silly that is in this context, the officer who shot and killed Renee Goode literally filmed himself doing it, it’s actually much deeper.
The evidence is overwhelming that body cameras do not make police less violent and they do not reduce police misconduct. So you have to ask yourself, why are Democrats proposing something that everybody agrees does not make police more accountable? And the history of this is that police agencies wanted body cameras for many, many years, but they couldn’t get the billions of dollars of funding for them.
What they wanted is to link all this new footage and data into algorithms that train AI into massive databases. That’s why you see ICE with cameras. They scan people’s faces. Prosecutors also wanted body cameras so they could get guilty pleas really quickly, like trespassing charges against unhoused people and drug possession cases.
So they had this problem: the industry wanted to make billions of dollars in contracts. The police wanted them for surveillance and to connect people to AI. But they couldn’t afford it.
And then what happened was after Michael Brown’s killing in Ferguson, the Obama administration worked with local Democratic Party officials and the policing surveillance industry to just remarket body cams, not as police surveillance but as accountability and transparency for well-meaning liberals who were desperate for something to be done.
That resulted in the greatest expansion of policing surveillance technology in modern history.
Useful Idiots: So the Democrats’ current stance is that they’re threatening to block the funding of the Department of Homeland Security, where ICE is a component, unless there are certain reforms?
Alec Karakatsanis: What the Democrats are basically saying is ICE needs to spend even more money on surveillance technology like body cameras and on so-called training.
Anybody who knows what the police and military training industry is in the United States would not support more money going to that. It’s one of the most dark, violent, and fascist corners of our society.
These training programs are where they learn to do the stuff that you’re seeing in these videos. That’s why in 2020 there were thousands of videos of police committing intentional, brutal crimes and violence, and it looked the same in hundreds and hundreds of cities. It wasn’t some one off mistake. This is what police are trained to do.
The Democrats are saying, ‘if you do those reforms,’ which the police want anyway, because there’s huge industries behind them, ‘we will then give you this entire budget.’
The main leverage Democrats actually have is reducing the ICE budget, but they’re starting the negotiation by saying we’ll give you everything you want. It’s really, really insidious.
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00:00 Intro
00:30 Marco Rubio threatens to bomb Iran if they don't give up bomb defenses
03:26 Rand Paul Calls Out Rubio's Hypocrisy
06:17 Alec Karakatsanis interview
06:55 How Dems are HELPING ICE
17:28 Dem Sen. Chris Murphy EXPOSED
21:12 How the surveillance industry THRIVES from body cams
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Useful Idiots. I'm Katie Halper. |
| 0:07.9 | I'm Mary Matte. Thanks so much for being here. Our website is Useful Idiots Podcast.com. Go there to support the show and get bonus content. |
| 0:16.0 | On this week's show, we'll be talking about Minneapolis, ICE, and Democrats cowardice on that front. We'll be speaking |
| 0:24.3 | to Alec Karakatsanis. He is a civil rights lawyer and author of the book Coppaganda. But first, |
| 0:31.0 | every Friday we do a weekly recap segment called the Friday Free For All. It's for our paid |
| 0:36.1 | subscribers. But if you're a free subscriber, |
| 0:38.0 | here's a preview. |
| 0:44.0 | Let's start with Trump's latest threats of attacking Iran. Secretary of State and Nationalist |
| 0:50.5 | Creative Advisor Marco Rubio appeared before the Senate this week and explained |
| 0:56.8 | what the Trump administration is doing to defend U.S. troops in the region in the Middle East |
| 1:02.9 | from the threat that it's creating by threatening to bomb Iran. |
| 1:06.2 | The baseline is this. We have 30 to 40,000 American troops stationed across eight or nine facilities in that region. |
| 1:12.6 | All are within the reach. |
| 1:14.5 | Theoretically, not theoretically in reality, all are within the reach of an array of thousands of Iranian, one-way UAVs and Iranian short-term ballistic missiles, |
| 1:25.3 | short range of ballistic missiles that threaten our troop presence. |
| 1:28.9 | We have to have enough force and power in the region just on a baseline to defend against that |
| 1:35.4 | possibility, that at some point, as a result of something, the Iranian regime decides to strike |
| 1:40.9 | at our troop presence in the region. As a result of something, the Iranian government might decide to strike at U.S. troops. |
| 1:47.4 | What could that thing possibly be? |
| 1:49.8 | Who knows? |
| 1:50.3 | Like someone sneezes into nuclear facility that doesn't exist yet? |
| 1:56.5 | Exactly. |
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