Welcome to Pushback. I'm Aaron Mate. Talk of impeaching President Trump began pretty much the day he took office.

It finally happened nearly three years later when the House voted to impeach Trump for an alleged pressure campaign against Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden.

The Senate then voted to acquit Trump in a narrow partisan vote,

ultimately leaving Trump's fate up to voters in November when he squares off against Joe Biden.

Well, joining me as someone who was on the inside during this entire impeachment process. Norm Eisen served as

the special counsel to the House Judiciary Committee during the impeachment and trial of President

Trump. Previously, he served under President Obama as Ethics Tsar, an ambassador to the Czech

Republic. And his new book provides the first insider account of

Trump's impeachment it's called a case for the American people the United States

versus Donald Trump Norman Eisen welcome to pushback thank you Aaron so pleased

to be with you and the pushback listeners so before we get into impeachment let me ask you and the pushback listeners. So before we get into impeachment,

let me ask you about the current crisis right now,

because your book ends pretty much when the pandemic

is first starting to hit the US.

As someone who helped draft the impeachment articles

against President Trump, how does his handling

or mishandling of the pandemic rate in comparison to his other alleged offenses? Do you think

that how he has presided over this pandemic, over this crisis, is worthy of impeachment?

It certainly will be, we not for the fact that the Republicans in the House will not join to impeach him, and the Republicans in the Senate will not convict him no matter what, you know, Trump used to say that his

followers wouldn't care if he shot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue.

Well, he's killed tens of thousands of Americans through what I argue in the book is the

same pattern of promoting

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