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The Next Big Idea

DELUSIONS: How Self-Deception Can Help You Flourish (Shankar Vedantam & Daniel Pink)

The Next Big Idea

Next Big Idea Club

Science, Social Sciences, Education, Society & Culture

4.41.3K Ratings

🗓️ 16 June 2021

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Is it really so bad to be a little bit delusional? Not according to Shankar Vedantam. In his new book, “Useful Delusions: The Power and Paradox of the Self-Deceiving Brain,” he argues that we tell ourselves lies in order to live. We believe our marriages will last, even though there’s a fifty-fifty chance we’re headed for divorce. We trick ourselves into thinking our children are extraordinary because if we saw them for who they really are — average, disobedient, smelly — the body blows of parenting would be more than we could bear. In this candid conversation with Next Big Idea Club curator Daniel Pink, Shankar says wide-eyed delusions aren’t bad for us. In fact, self-deception is part of being a well-adjusted human being.

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And in some ways, this is the right way to think about self-deceptions in general, which

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is to ask the compassionate question, what is the origins of where this is coming from?

0:13.9

What is the gap this is filling in people's lives?

0:16.4

When we look with contempt at people who have self-deceptions, in many ways what we are

0:20.0

forgetting is we are not in the foxhole with them.

0:23.9

And were we in the foxhole with them, we would very, very likely think exactly the same

0:28.2

way they do.

0:30.6

I'm Rufus Griskym and this is the next big idea.

0:35.0

Today, is it really such a bad thing to lie to yourself?

0:56.0

It has to be right.

0:57.9

Aristotle taught us that knowing yourself is the beginning of all wisdom.

1:02.6

Is there an upside to delusion?

1:05.1

I didn't think so until I heard the story of Joseph Enriquez.

1:11.3

In the early 80s, Joseph hit rock bottom.

1:14.5

His mom died.

1:15.6

His dad got sick.

1:17.0

His business floundered.

1:18.5

He felt more alone than ever before, which is saying something, because Joseph had

1:23.1

pretty much always felt alone.

1:25.5

He didn't have any close friends, and he never dated.

1:28.1

Not because he didn't want to, but because he was too shy, too insecure, too easily misunderstood.

1:34.3

He'd put his name on a few mailing lists for single men, hoping to meet the kind of

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