This week, Roqayah and Kumars are joined by returning guest Nick Estes and former guest host Shanti Singh for a deep dive into the past, present and future of extraterrestrial visitation.

Nick is a member of the Oceti Sakowin Oyate nation, Assistant Professor of American Indian Studies at the University of Minnesota, a cofounder of The Red Nation, and cohost of TRN’s flagship podcast. He is also lead editor at Red Media, the author of Our History is the Future: Standing Rock versus the Dakota Access Pipeline, and the Long Tradition of Indigenous Resistance, and coauthor of Red Nation Rising: From Bordertown Violence to Native Liberation.

Shanti is an organizer with the San Francisco chapter of Democratic Socialists of America and previously served as deputy data director for the 2020 Bernie Sanders campaign in California. She is currently the Legislative and Communications Director for Tenants Together, the first and only statewide tenant advocacy organization in California.

After catching listeners up on some of their recent adventures, Nick and Shanti share their takes on Posadism, going to Mars, Blink-182, Stonehenge, Alien vs. Predator, Scully vs. Mulder, as well as the gold standard of problematic UFO lore, History Channel’s Ancient Aliens.

The gang also discusses well-known UFO reports pre- and post-Roswell, the US national security state’s history of manipulating alien conspiracy theories to cover up its own black operations, and whether this explains the revelations since 2017 of the military’s close encounters.

Follow Nick on that one website @nickwestes and Shanti @uhshanti.

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