Delayed Justice — Part 1: The Murders of Kathryn-Mary Herbert & Theresa Hildebrandt

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True Crime, Society & Culture, History, Documentary

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🗓️ 3 October 2022

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Episode 238: In Abbotsford, B.C., on the evening of September 24, 1975, Kathryn-Mary Herbert, age 11, was abducted while on her way home from a friend’s home. Last seen The girl’s body was discovered almost two months later on the Matsqui Indian Reserve north of Abbotsford. Investigators determined that she was likely murdered on the day she’d disappeared. In May 1976, Theresa Hildebrandt, 15, vanished without a trace from her Aldergrove, B.C. home. F Police believed she might be a runaway, but her family felt otherwise. or nearly four years no one knew what had become of Theresa. In March of 1980, her skeletal remains were found in a shallow grave off Downes and Mt. Lehman roads. Almost exactly two years after Theresa’s disappearance, in early May 1976, 12-year-old Monica Jack was riding her bicycle near Merritt, B.C. when she disappeared. As Monica was of indigenous heritage, her disappearance fell under Project E-PANA, the RCMP’s initiative to solve the multitude of missing and murdered indigenous women and girls along B.C.’s infamous Highway of Tears. In June of 1995, Monica’s remains were discovered off a logging road on Swakum Mountain, to the west of Nicola Lake and several kilometres from where she was last seen. Families of the victims had their suspicions about suspects and worked hard to hold police on task, to solve the murders of their girls. Due to similarities in the cases, police believed them all, potentially, linked. After years of running down tip after tip, a man with a history of sexual assault convictions and had been living in B.C. during all three killings fell under suspicion of investigators. After a long operation which involved the employment pf their infamous Mr. Big technique to get their suspect to talk, RCMP arrested 67-year-old Garry Taylor Handlen, and charged him with the murders of Kathryn-Mary Herbert and Monica Jack in 2014, more than 36 years after the murder of Monica Jack. He was later convicted of first-degree murder. Sadly, in regards to Theresa Hildebrant’s murder, no one has yet been charged in her killing, and 46 years later, her family has yet to receive any official answers about Theresa’s death. Sources: 2015 BCSC 1023 (CanLII) | R. v Handlen | CanLII 2018 BCSC 1330 (CanLII) | R. v Handlen | CanLII A Garden of Tears: The murder of Kathryn-Mary Herbert | CBC.ca CBC: Missing and Murdered Aboriginal Women — Monica Jack Kathryn-Mary Herbert | Theyaremissing Blog A garden of tears (2009) | ridgenfilm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hey Mike here, I just wanted to let you know that you can listen to dark putine early and add free on Amazon music included with prime.
0:10.0	I think that the holidays feel like frozen noses.
0:15.4	I love walking with the dog for long periods of time, hopefully it's snowing and you've got to wrap up warm.
0:21.0	So I think a frozen nose is a sweaty armpit because like you're wrapped up so warm but then you're climbing hamps that heath and you get to the top and you're like.
0:28.6	And then you can see the breath, but then your nose is still freezing to touch joy in every sip with red cups now back at Starbucks.
0:37.2	Welcome to dark putine. I am Mike Brown and across the table from me is returning from the United Kingdom. Matthew Stockton.
0:59.2	I'm back.
1:00.2	You are back. Yes. And you had a good time. Yes, it was time spent with family in two small villages in the UK.
1:09.1	That sounds great. Yeah. And we're recording on a bit of a special day today. Yes, it's truth and reconciliation day today.
1:18.5	Yeah, I'm wearing my every child matter shirt on shirt on my heart is orange today. Yeah.
1:23.9	As Canadian challenges that hey, what what are you doing for truth and reconciliation day? Right. Put some action into it. Right.
1:30.9	Exactly. And I think that's what truth and reconciliation is about. And what does it mean to you? To me, I read the book 21 things you didn't know about the Indian act.
1:41.2	Right. I read that this week. Okay. And it's a fantastic book and I recommend it to everyone. It is a very eye opening if you don't know about the Indian act in Canada.
1:52.9	It's definitely worth an episode of dark protein. Yeah, I am, you know, I do marketing. So I don't cynically do social marketing.
2:03.4	Right. Because it actually comes from the heart. So I think if companies and brands show, hey, you know, because we have some attention.
2:12.8	Yeah. And if you can draw attention to it, that's a good start. And we're here doing unfortunately yet another show about
2:21.9	missing Indian and his girls. Yeah. Well, one of the three girls that we're talking about. And we don't really get to her story until the second episode.
2:33.9	Yeah. But it was definitely on my mind when I was writing these two. Yeah.
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