Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration,

on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran,

expertly finger-picking a 1930 Gibson Granada five-string banjo or else, a scrappy upstart, bashing away at a 2019 dearing with a Jim Dunlop guitar pick, this is your show. Because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most most an ironclad excuse to put off

actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the second Friday of January 2022, and I thank you for joining us.

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