Tom, can you hear me? This is Del.

Del, hi, yeah, I can hear you. It's Tom Holtz around.

How are you doing? I'm good. How are you doing today?

I'm fine, thanks. Yeah.

Firstly, do you mind if I record our conversation so I can take some notes afterwards?

I do not. That's fine. Let you know I'm recording on my end also.

No problem.

Okay, so that's up and running.

Thank you very much indeed for taking the time to chat today.

I really appreciate it.

If I could begin by asking, do you mind just kind of broadly explaining what?

I can't position it on the COVID-19 vaccines.

I can't position the COVID-19 vaccine is that we believe all pharmaceutical products should go through long term safety trials that involve saline placebo injections.

So we establish a true baseline for safety.

And so under those circumstances, we believe it's incredibly reckless to release the vaccine prior to a multi-year safety trial.

There's no way to determine the long term side effects of a product that hasn't been, you know, viewed in long term against a saline placebo group, a double blind study.

So that's it. We simply are a consumer advocacy group that seeks to make sure that people are getting the safest products they can.

There is, you know, a protocol to how we approve pharmaceutical drugs.

And we believe that vaccines should adhere to those same protocols and principles.

So do you think that the CDC and other public health authorities have been right to recommend that Americans get these vaccines?

I do not. I believe it's reckless. I believe it's dangerous.

And I think it is unnecessarily putting people in unknown risk situations.

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