Defunding the Police Is Only the Beginning
The Mother Jones Podcast
Mother Jones
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🗓️ 17 June 2020
⏱️ 33 minutes
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Summary
After spending the last decade covering America’s criminal justice system, one thing is clear to activist, journalist and scholar Josie Duffy Rice: a grab-bag approach to policy reform isn’t going to fix all the problems with policing in America. Josie is the president of The Appeal, a non-profit news publication focused on criminal justice, and the co-host of the podcast, "Justice in America". She has been working in the weeds on issues that many Americans are now paying attention to in the wake of George Floyd’s killing—issues like police brutality, bloated police budgets, surveillance, pre-trial detention, cash bail, and the disproportionate police presence in communities of color. On this week’s show, Josie joins Jamilah King for a discussion about the recent police killing of Rayshard Brookes in Atlanta, the deep racist and classist structural issues with policing in America, and why defunding the police is only step one.
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| 0:00.0 | This is the Mother Jones Podcast. I'm Jamila King in Brooklyn. As another young black man's life has been cut short by police violence, |
| 0:20.0 | last Friday an Atlanta police officer shot and killed Rayshard Brooks, and as diverse |
| 0:26.8 | raucous boiling protests continued to surge throughout the country, is this moment finally different? |
| 0:35.0 | What has 2020's big, bold, unapologetic protest movement won so far? |
| 0:42.0 | And what's left to win? This week... protest movement won so far? |
| 0:42.5 | And what's left to win? |
| 0:44.4 | This week, journalist, lawyer, podcaster, |
| 0:47.8 | and criminal justice advocate based in Atlanta, Josie Duffy Rice. |
| 0:53.0 | Stick around. |
| 0:56.0 | Josie argues that defunding bloated police budgets |
| 1:00.0 | is an important first step, |
| 1:02.0 | but changes on the margins simply aren't enough. |
| 1:08.0 | As America finally wakes up to the deadly toll of over-policing black communities. |
| 1:14.0 | It's time, she says, in fact, it's overdue |
| 1:17.4 | to start imagining a world without police |
| 1:21.8 | by reimagining what criminal justice looks like in America. |
| 1:26.0 | And she means everything about it. |
| 1:29.0 | She's been in the weeds reporting on the criminal justice system and its failures, covering issues from bail reform to police brutality, to private prisons, to the school to prison pipeline. |
| 1:41.0 | She's the president of the appeal, a publication that puts out |
| 1:44.7 | original journalism about criminal justice and the co-host of the podcast |
| 1:49.0 | Justice in America, a long-form podcast that dives deep into one criminal justice issue on every |
| 1:56.2 | episode. |
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