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Here is a big existential question for every media company today.

Do they fight the AI tech overlords or do they just take their money?

So far, most of them are taking the money.

But a few are fighting.

One of them is Zip Davis.

This is Peter Kafka, the host of channels.

And on this week's episode, I'm talking to Ziff Davis, CEO of Vek Shah, who tells me he's

kind of optimistic about the media business and why he's taking on the people behind

chat GBT.

That's this week on channels, wherever you listen to your favorite podcast.

I'm going to get a bunch of angry lawyers y'all. I'm saying that they're not racist, which like fair, but, you know, a lot of them are. Hermann, your Twitter brand is becoming angry lawyers yelling at you. So it seems to be just a lie.

Hello and welcome to another episode of the weeds. I'm your host Dylan Matthews and I am joined today by Vox Policy Writer Jerusalem Dempc.

Hello there.

And Vox senior correspondent Hermann Lopez, who has some exciting and sad news for you all.

Yeah, so this will be my last panel episode for The Weeds. I'm leaving Vox and I'm going to the New York Times to write the morning newsletter. It's obviously very bittersweet for me. I've been at Vox for a long time since it launched, but this is a big opportunity and it just felt like time for me. Yeah, it's very bittersweet for us too too. Hermann can be an enraging person, like when he insists that coffee is a form of soup,

but I have worked with him for nearly eight years now.

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