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Today, we're going to get to the bottom of the defund the police movement and what it

actually means. We'll talk about Fox News' favorite new fever dream, the Capitol Hill

Autonomous Zone in Seattle, and my interview with Congressman and former Democratic presidential

candidate, Eric Swalwell, where we talk about what Congress is doing right now to ensure

that Americans can exercise their right to vote, especially after yet another disastrous

election in the state of Georgia, and the possibility that Trump doesn't concede the

race if he were to lose the election. This is Brian Tyler Cohen, and you're listening

to No Lie.

I want to start by talking about defund the police because obviously with a phrase like

defund the police, it is ripe for exploitation by right wing media. So let me just say this,

first and foremost, the goal of defund the police is not to eliminate the police. That's

an absurdist take. The actual goal of defunding the police is just to reduce the glut of funding

to police departments and instead fund social services that have been completely gutted.

Social services that would take care of mental health and homelessness and addiction, all

of which by the way, have become criminalized since they've become the responsibility of

the police. And it's a vicious cycle. The more those programs are defunded, the more

that unqualified cops are forced to deal with them, and the more those unqualified cops

deal with them, the more those problems which are left uncared for are exacerbated, right?

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