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Defense Authorization and Indefinite Detention

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🗓️ 20 December 2011

⏱️ 10 minutes

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0:00.0

This is the Cato Daily Podcast for Tuesday, December 20th, 2011. I'm Caleb Brown.

0:06.8

The President has backed away from a threatened veto of the Defense Authorization Act now

0:10.9

that it's passed both houses of Congress, but not for the reasons you might think.

0:15.4

There's plenty wrong with how the legislation deals with the subject of due process rights for

0:20.1

Americans.

0:21.3

Ben Friedman is a research fellow in defense and homeland security studies at the Cato Institute.

0:26.0

We spoke last week.

0:28.0

I think the controversy about that provision and the overall authorization bill from the Senate is a little bit

0:36.6

misplaced because there is a waiver that lets the president not put suspected Al Qaeda terrorists in their

0:47.5

associates in military detention, avoiding criminal trial if he so chooses.

0:53.0

And I also think the way I read the law at least,

0:56.0

I think he could just avoid declaring them

0:58.0

suspected al-Qaeda terrorists in the first place

1:00.0

and say that's why we have trials

1:02.0

and then avoid the bite of the law that way without even resorting to the waiver.

1:08.1

So to me the real problem with the bill is a different section. it's section 1031 of the bill, which sort of reauthorizes, arguably

1:19.9

at least, reauthorizes the war.

1:23.4

And it says that Congress affirms that the authority of the president

1:30.7

to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the authorization of military force includes the authority of the armed forces of the United States to detained covered persons.

1:41.6

And then it says that is a person who planned, authorized,

1:45.6

committed or aided the terrorist attacks of September 11th or those who harbored

1:48.8

those people and then also a person who was part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban,

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