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Hello, everybody.

Welcome to the Dispatch podcast.

I'm Jamie Weinstein.

My guest today will continue the conversation I had last week on the

China-Taiwan conflict. But from a different side, my guest is Michael Mazza. He is senior director

at Project 2049 Institute and a non-resident fellow at the Global Taiwan Institute. He previously was a non-resident

fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and was recognized in 2010, 2011, in the first class

of the Foreign Policy Initiative's Future Leader Program, which I too was among and met him

there. Our conversation today is focused on what I believe is the biggest flashpoint in the world.

He gives a very different take from last week.

I think these two conversations are very important, both this one and the one I did last week with Lyle Goldstein,

and give you a strong understanding of both perspectives

of what should be done in that region. So I think you're going to find this conversation fascinating.

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