Hello everybody and welcome to the Canaan Rince podcast, Volume 15, Issue 703.

Today we're going to talk about Defender and Stargate.

Joining me, Leon Cox, in this issue, we've got Chris Worthington.

Hello. Mikhail Kroda. Hi. And I'm very excited to say we have a special guest,

extra special guest, the one and only Julian Jazz Rignor. Welcome to Cana Rince.

Al-a-Bondia. I'm calling from Portugal, so I'm speaking Portuguese for a minute.

Are you? Yeah. I had no idea. I didn't know which land you'd be hailing from today.

Yeah, yeah, just a bit further south. On the same timeline, fortunately.

Ah, gotcha. Sounds lovely. uh so yes for those of us uh who go back to the magazine days uh jazz is something of a legend um probably bored of hearing it but yeah the first uh no the second video game magazine i ever bought was the Zapp 64 Christmas 1985 issue.

And I was hooked from then on, obviously following jazz through CNVG and mean machines and so on and so forth.

I've been reading some of his book today, which will give good plugging to later on.

I appreciate that.

The games of a lifetime.

Well, that's as much payment as you're going to get.

So, um, I'm okay.

Uh, but, uh, yes, there's a, there's a whole chapter devoted pretty much.

1982 is, is when you discovered Defender.

So we want to hear plenty more about that.

For those who don't know, listeners sometimes join us when we're talking about games that are unfamiliar to them because they're young or whatever.

But Defender and its sequel are single player two-way, horizontally scrolling arcade shoot-em-ups.

In fact, Defender is often said to be the first side-scrolling shoot-em-up as it predated Scramble, got to the

arcades before Konami's scrolling shooter by a couple of months. And in fact, listening to the makings of and so on and so forth, it's only a two-way scrolling

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