This is the recent interview, where we go deep with the artists, entrepreneurs, politicians, and visionaries,

who are making the 21st century more libertarian, or at least more interesting,

by challenging worn-out ideas and orthodoxies.

I'm Billy Binion, guest hosting for Nick Gillespie.

Our guest this week is Janine Yunus, a civil liberties attorney who was thrust into the national spotlight when she sued the Biden administration for pressuring social media companies to censor content it didn't like.

That case, Morthy v. Missouri ultimately reached the Supreme Court.

But Eunice is maybe not what you'd expect.

She's a former New York City public defender and is now the national legal director at the American

Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, where she is planning to sue the Trump administration.

Eunice and I discussed her unorthodox path to civil liberties advocacy, the threats to free speech

from both the left and the right, and why a respect for the First Amendment should be an

everyone issue, no matter how much you might hate what's being said.

And now to the Reason interview.

Janine Eunice, thank you for talking to Reason.

Thank you so much for having me. I'm a big fan.

Okay, so you've been a public defender.

You sued the Biden administration.

You worked for a MAGA congressman. And now you are gearing up to sue the Trump administration. So I think a lot of people wouldn't necessarily know what to make of all that. So I just want to start off by asking you what guides you in your work.

Just a commitment to defending American civil liberties, especially free speech. That's sort of the main

area I've gotten into in my primary area of expertise, but I've also done civil liberties cases more

broadly. So I don't really care who is the person violating the rights. I don't bring cases or

talk about these issues because for political purposes, I do it purely because I care about

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