Thank you for joining us for episode 442 of Live Happy Now.

We just turned our clocks back, which means shorter days and, for many, the onset of seasonal effective disorder.

So this week, we're going to talk to the man who identified sad and also has tips for beating it.

I'm your host Paula Phelps, and this week it is my honor to talk with Dr. Norman Rosenthal,

the world-renowned researcher and psychiatrist who spearheaded the discovery of sad

and also pioneered the use of light therapy as treatment.

His new book, Defeating Sad, a guide to

health and happiness through all seasons, provides a roadmap for beating this disorder, and today

he's here to tell us how his own experiences with seasonal effective disorder drove him to research

it and what we can do to beat those winter blues. Let's have a listen. Dr. Norm,

thank you for joining me today. Oh, it's great to be here. Well, I'm really excited to talk to you

because you are so instrumental in something that we all talk about right now, and that is that

you defined seasonal, effective disorder. And so I'm

curious because I've only grown up knowing that term. What were we calling sad before it was

sad? And what can you kind of take us back to that time before we realized that this was really a thing?

That's a terrific question because it brings me back to when I came here from South Africa.

It was 1976 and I was thrown into the psychiatric residency, which was very stimulating.

It was Colombia.

And there was no such a thing as SAD.

They called it the Christmas crunch.

Oh, really?

People are having the Christmas crunch and everybody in the office is down and out.

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