Defeating Doomerism: The Search For A New Climate Narrative
Energy Gang
Wood Mackenzie
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🗓️ 14 August 2023
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Summary
On the last Energy Gang we looked at the impact of record temperatures on the energy sector. This week, we discuss another impact of climate change: its effect on human psychology. We discuss how the way we talk about global warming affects how we respond to it.
A recent study in the journal Global Environmental Change argued that scientists and media organizations need to rethink the way they talk about climate change. The study’s authors called on the media to emphasise potential solutions to rising temperatures, rather than focusing solely on the dire consequences. This shift towards solutions-oriented thinking could help prevent a pervasive sense of fatalism: the idea that humans can do nothing useful to mitigate climate change. Doomerism, as it is sometimes known, seems to be creeping more and more into the conversation. Is it an inevitable consequence of the way we talk about climate change?
One point that researchers have found is that using the term “climate emergency” reduced the perceived credibility of news reports, and the likelihood that people would take action, compared to using “climate change.” News about climate impacts leads to increased fear and decreased hope, relative to the impact of news about climate action. Are the media inadvertently encouraging people to believe that our civilization is fated to end in disaster, and we are all going to burn if we live long enough, so we might as well just live for the moment and enjoy the ride any way we can?
To discuss the impact of climate doomerism on our mental health, and more, host Ed Crooks is joined by Dr Melissa Lott, Director of the Centre on Global Energy Policy at Columbia University. Melissa argues that the evidence shows there are in fact workable solutions to climate change, and that “everything we do to try to reduce emissions to any degree, already protects health.” So doomerism is not based on reality.
Also on this episode is Amy Harder, who is the Executive Editor of Cipher, a news outlet supported by Breakthrough Energy, the climate investing and policy organization backed by Bill Gates. She has some new polling data on public attitudes to climate change, published by Pew Research.
Looking for solutions led us to one answer to emissions that has made the news in recent weeks: carbon utilization. Amy’s outlet Cipher recently published a story looking at the debate in the US over tax breaks for carbon capture, and what happens to the carbon dioxide after it is captured. Amy explores with Ed and Melissa what this means for energy and the potential for carbon utilization as a whole.
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| 0:49.1 | Hello and welcome to The Energy Gang, a discussion show about the fast-changing |
| 0:53.0 | world of energy. I'm Ed Crux, and I'm joined today by two energy gang regulars, Melissa Lott, |
| 0:58.0 | who's the director of research at Columbia University's Centre on Global Energy Policy. |
| 1:01.9 | Hi, Melissa, how are you? Hey Ed, I'm doing great. I'm in Aspen, Colorado. It's an Aspen |
| 1:06.8 | Institute meeting, so... Oh, very nice. Yeah, it's magical out the window. |
| 1:12.8 | I went to Aspen in the summer time once and thought this is arguably the most beautiful place on earth. |
| 1:18.2 | It is incredible. It reminded me of heaven, though. It's kind of, it's like heaven, |
| 1:23.2 | kind of, in every respect, then, but it's very beautiful. Also, maybe a bit boring. |
| 1:29.1 | I think it's a lovely change of pace for a couple days. I love coming in. |
| 1:33.1 | Yeah. It feels like I'm in the middle of a painting, and I think there's, you know, |
| 1:37.2 | it's nice to live in the middle of a painting, at least for a few days, so I'll enjoy it. |
| 1:41.5 | Well, thank you very much for taking time from that lovely spot to talk about today. |
| 1:46.6 | And also a great pleasure to welcome Amy Harder, who's the executive editor of Cypher, |
| 1:51.5 | which is a news outlet supported by Breakthrough Energy, which is the climate investing and |
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